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**theatadug** · 11-10-2011, 11:19 AM

Brothers and sisters, I have been on this forum for a short amount of time and I have noticed a few patterns.

If one wants to understand what is the issue with the Muslim Ummah as a whole today (worldwide), one needs to look no further than this very forum you are reading this post on.

People never agree on anything. The most simplest of things turn into huge arguments extending a simple thread into 100's of pages full of arguments and name calling.

Just make a thread saying something... anything at all (you can even say something as simple as "My name is _____"), and wait for someone to find a way to call you "Ahal-ul-bidat", "deobandi", "barelvi", "Quranist", etc, etc, etc. Pick your flavor of the day.

I, much like most of the average members/lurkers on here I'm sure, don't even know what half the words/titles which are used to "insult" each other on here mean... but it doesn't take a genius to figure out that they get thrown around with full force like stones.

Once again, if you don't believe me, just browse only the first page of the main forum and you will see the same patterns as evident, thread after thread, page after page, day after day.

, don't get me wrong here, as this is mainly the only forum I frequent these days. However, what I said remains:

If one wants to understand what is the issue with the Muslim Ummah as a whole today, one needs to look no further than this very forum you are reading this post on.

Pretend if the interaction which takes place on this forum was happening in the "real world" instead... as in it was all offline, face to face, in all different parts of the world. Well, there you have what we know as the Muslim Ummah today.

Think about it.

May Allah give us the will & the ability to get along with each other and treat each other like blood brothers and sisters, as was the case during the time of Rasul-Allah & remained just the same for some time afterwards when the Sahaba were still around. Ameen.

May Allah forgive me if I said anything wrong. All that is well & good is from Allah , any and all mistakes & misrepresentation are solely my own.

Wa'alaikumus salaam wr wb,

Brother, JazakAllah for raising this concern. We've had, do have, and will have our differences. No two minds are alike. We just need to understand how much these differences affect us today, and to what extent do these differences matter.

For example, Differences between ahlus sunnah wal Jama'ah, and the ahlul bid'ah like barelvis and ghair muqallideen are inevitable, and in some case, very harsh, but on the outset, if we see this, these very differences should not lead any of us to raise weapons against each other. These are academic differences.

In real life however, we see these differences exceed merely raising weapons; In Pakistan and the whole Muslim world nowadays, these differences actually lead some of us to ally ourselves with the kuffar who are out to take over our lands. Did you know that there were J groups in Pakistan who Simply did not support the Islamic Emirates in 2001 because they were hanafis or they were deobandis? Do you know there was a chancellor of a very renowned darululoom of barelvis in Pakistan who actually took out rallies in favor of Operations against the brothers in the free areas? The enemy has a keen eye, he's even reading every post we make here. We need to understand the limits to which we take our differences.

If you are somehow bothered by the differences ( hey even I am at times ) , don't visit the forum or the general forums section here. That's the only recommendation I can give right now.

To make things simple :

Differences :
1) Have Existed
2) Do Exist
3) Will Exist

What we need to do is :
1) Categorize the nature of difference
2) The severity of the difference
3) The limits these differences should take us to

wassalaam

11-10-2011, 11:19 AM	#3
theatadug Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 485 Senior Member	Brothers and sisters, I have been on this forum for a short amount of time and I have noticed a few patterns. If one wants to understand what is the issue with the Muslim Ummah as a whole today (worldwide), one needs to look no further than this very forum you are reading this post on. People never agree on anything. The most simplest of things turn into huge arguments extending a simple thread into 100's of pages full of arguments and name calling. Just make a thread saying something... anything at all (you can even say something as simple as "My name is _____"), and wait for someone to find a way to call you "Ahal-ul-bidat", "deobandi", "barelvi", "Quranist", etc, etc, etc. Pick your flavor of the day. I, much like most of the average members/lurkers on here I'm sure, don't even know what half the words/titles which are used to "insult" each other on here mean... but it doesn't take a genius to figure out that they get thrown around with full force like stones. Once again, if you don't believe me, just browse only the first page of the main forum and you will see the same patterns as evident, thread after thread, page after page, day after day. , don't get me wrong here, as this is mainly the only forum I frequent these days. However, what I said remains: If one wants to understand what is the issue with the Muslim Ummah as a whole today, one needs to look no further than this very forum you are reading this post on. Pretend if the interaction which takes place on this forum was happening in the "real world" instead... as in it was all offline, face to face, in all different parts of the world. Well, there you have what we know as the Muslim Ummah today. Think about it. May Allah give us the will & the ability to get along with each other and treat each other like blood brothers and sisters, as was the case during the time of Rasul-Allah & remained just the same for some time afterwards when the Sahaba were still around. Ameen. May Allah forgive me if I said anything wrong. All that is well & good is from Allah , any and all mistakes & misrepresentation are solely my own. Wa'alaikumus salaam wr wb, Brother, JazakAllah for raising this concern. We've had, do have, and will have our differences. No two minds are alike. We just need to understand how much these differences affect us today, and to what extent do these differences matter. For example, Differences between ahlus sunnah wal Jama'ah, and the ahlul bid'ah like barelvis and ghair muqallideen are inevitable, and in some case, very harsh, but on the outset, if we see this, these very differences should not lead any of us to raise weapons against each other. These are academic differences. In real life however, we see these differences exceed merely raising weapons; In Pakistan and the whole Muslim world nowadays, these differences actually lead some of us to ally ourselves with the kuffar who are out to take over our lands. Did you know that there were J groups in Pakistan who Simply did not support the Islamic Emirates in 2001 because they were hanafis or they were deobandis? Do you know there was a chancellor of a very renowned darululoom of barelvis in Pakistan who actually took out rallies in favor of Operations against the brothers in the free areas? The enemy has a keen eye, he's even reading every post we make here. We need to understand the limits to which we take our differences. If you are somehow bothered by the differences ( hey even I am at times ) , don't visit the forum or the general forums section here. That's the only recommendation I can give right now. To make things simple : Differences : 1) Have Existed 2) Do Exist 3) Will Exist What we need to do is : 1) Categorize the nature of difference 2) The severity of the difference 3) The limits these differences should take us to wassalaam
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