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**www.forumsovetov.ru** · 05-17-2012, 11:57 PM

This is really the issue, though. Conversions would be fine to "them", but Islam is forecast to gain a sizeable minority in Europe in the next 50 years not because of conversions but because of high birthrates among Muslims and low birthrates among native Europeans.

Either way, it is paranoid to think that Muslims would suddenly start lobbying for khilafah, considering how Muslims are failing to do so in countries where they are already in the majority and most Muslim-majority countries are also relatively secular.

Furthermore, these current demographics are caused by lax immigration standards and has less to do with religion. Why are the native populations choosing to not have children? If a country is overwhelmed by an immigrating minority that has suddenly become the majority, isn't the fault at the feet of the original majority that allowed this to happen? Doesn't the fault also lie at the feet of the original majority for choosing to not have children? The current trends in non-Muslim households show that couples tend to not get married while living together or stay single bachelors or get married without any prospective children. Those that choose to have children tend to have them later in their marriage (or get married later in their life and then have children) and soon afterwards, the wife undergoes menopause because she had her child in her 40s.

And I really doubt your sources because I've heard this conspiracy before, where Muslims are going to take over due to high birthrates meanwhile many factors aren't considered, such as the Westernization of many Muslims who will also choose to not have many or any children. Furthermore, the "worst" estimates claim that 25% of Europe will be Muslim by religion by 2030 but the birthrates of Muslims will drop while the birthrates of Christians will rise - and this takes into account countries that already have sizable Muslim populations in Europe, such as Albania, Kosovo, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Turkey, etc. In the UK the projected ratio is 1 in 10 but of course, the racist BNP supporters in the UK are up in arms that 1 in 10 people in the UK won't be a non-Muslim, claiming that they're committing cultural suicide, without realizing that many Muslims are converts, many Muslims are from other European countries, many Muslims do not have a different culture, etc.

Here's an article on Snopes about this conspiracy theory: http://www.snopes.com/politics/relig...mographics.asp

If, let's say, these trends are probable, then the only solution where the Muslim majority can be relieved of its power by majority would be to change into a system other than democracy.

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@br TripolySunni:

I apologize for prolonging this OT discussion.

05-17-2012, 11:57 PM	#30
www.forumsovetov.ru Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 546 Senior Member	This is really the issue, though. Conversions would be fine to "them", but Islam is forecast to gain a sizeable minority in Europe in the next 50 years not because of conversions but because of high birthrates among Muslims and low birthrates among native Europeans. Either way, it is paranoid to think that Muslims would suddenly start lobbying for khilafah, considering how Muslims are failing to do so in countries where they are already in the majority and most Muslim-majority countries are also relatively secular. Furthermore, these current demographics are caused by lax immigration standards and has less to do with religion. Why are the native populations choosing to not have children? If a country is overwhelmed by an immigrating minority that has suddenly become the majority, isn't the fault at the feet of the original majority that allowed this to happen? Doesn't the fault also lie at the feet of the original majority for choosing to not have children? The current trends in non-Muslim households show that couples tend to not get married while living together or stay single bachelors or get married without any prospective children. Those that choose to have children tend to have them later in their marriage (or get married later in their life and then have children) and soon afterwards, the wife undergoes menopause because she had her child in her 40s. And I really doubt your sources because I've heard this conspiracy before, where Muslims are going to take over due to high birthrates meanwhile many factors aren't considered, such as the Westernization of many Muslims who will also choose to not have many or any children. Furthermore, the "worst" estimates claim that 25% of Europe will be Muslim by religion by 2030 but the birthrates of Muslims will drop while the birthrates of Christians will rise - and this takes into account countries that already have sizable Muslim populations in Europe, such as Albania, Kosovo, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Turkey, etc. In the UK the projected ratio is 1 in 10 but of course, the racist BNP supporters in the UK are up in arms that 1 in 10 people in the UK won't be a non-Muslim, claiming that they're committing cultural suicide, without realizing that many Muslims are converts, many Muslims are from other European countries, many Muslims do not have a different culture, etc. Here's an article on Snopes about this conspiracy theory: http://www.snopes.com/politics/relig...mographics.asp If, let's say, these trends are probable, then the only solution where the Muslim majority can be relieved of its power by majority would be to change into a system other than democracy. EDIT: @br TripolySunni: I apologize for prolonging this OT discussion.
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