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**Gypejeva** · 05-10-2012, 01:27 AM

Asalamu Alaykum Wr. Wb.

Is it true that Saudi Arabia is a kafir nation?

Recently I got to know that countries like Iran, Libya, Jordan, Pakistan, claims to follow the shariah, but honestly speaking this can not be true.

If you follow the shariah you can't just follow 90% of it, or 50% of it, you have to follow shariah 100%, and shariah implies that there is Khilafat.
This means that Saudi Arabia does not follow the sharia and is a non-muslim country.

The Prophet (saw) said: "When the oath of allegiance has been taken for two Khalifs, kill the latter of them". Sahih Muslim

"And hold firmly to the rope of Allah all together and do not become divided." (Ahle Imran: 103)

Imam Ahmad narrated in al-Musnad, from Abdullah bin Amr, Prophet (SAW) said: "It is not halal for three people to be in the desert wilderness, unless they appoint one of them as the amir (leader) for themselves."

"That the sultan (leader) is the shade of Allah on Earth." And it was said: "Sixty years of an unjust imam (ruler) are better than one night without a leader." (The words of Ibnu Taimiyah in al-Siyasah al-Syar'iyyah)

Abdullah bin Umar (ra) narrated that the Prophet (saw) said "A person dies and he did not give Bayyah, he dies the death of Jahiliyya".

We need to have khilafat, Saudi Arabia is not khilafat, therefore Saudi Arabia is a country amongst those of the jahilya, with monarchy.
Isn't it true then, that Saudi Arabia is a non-muslim country?

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...Apostate/page4

excellent thread, i think it should be revived.

"The verses in question are from the words of the Exalted, “If any do fail to judge by what Allah hath revealed, they are Unbelievers,” and in another verse, “They are wrong-doers,” and in a third verse, “They are those who rebel.”

The jurisprudents and exegetes of Ahl al-Sunna have explained that these verses, especially the first one, apply to Muslims and are not to be taken at face value. Rather, they are interpreted [beyond the apparent meaning]. To sum up [the interpretation]: If someone abandons ruling by what Allah has revealed because he believes that these verses are not valid and legitimate enough to be applied, then he is, by consensus, an unbeliever and an apostate, and these verses were meant for him. However, if he believes in the legitimacy and validity of these verses but does not apply them out of negligence, then he is still a Muslim, but he is corrupt and has wronged his soul by leaving Allah’s command."

05-10-2012, 01:27 AM	#15
Gypejeva Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 442 Senior Member	Asalamu Alaykum Wr. Wb. Is it true that Saudi Arabia is a kafir nation? Recently I got to know that countries like Iran, Libya, Jordan, Pakistan, claims to follow the shariah, but honestly speaking this can not be true. If you follow the shariah you can't just follow 90% of it, or 50% of it, you have to follow shariah 100%, and shariah implies that there is Khilafat. This means that Saudi Arabia does not follow the sharia and is a non-muslim country. The Prophet (saw) said: "When the oath of allegiance has been taken for two Khalifs, kill the latter of them". Sahih Muslim "And hold firmly to the rope of Allah all together and do not become divided." (Ahle Imran: 103) Imam Ahmad narrated in al-Musnad, from Abdullah bin Amr, Prophet (SAW) said: "It is not halal for three people to be in the desert wilderness, unless they appoint one of them as the amir (leader) for themselves." "That the sultan (leader) is the shade of Allah on Earth." And it was said: "Sixty years of an unjust imam (ruler) are better than one night without a leader." (The words of Ibnu Taimiyah in al-Siyasah al-Syar'iyyah) Abdullah bin Umar (ra) narrated that the Prophet (saw) said "A person dies and he did not give Bayyah, he dies the death of Jahiliyya". We need to have khilafat, Saudi Arabia is not khilafat, therefore Saudi Arabia is a country amongst those of the jahilya, with monarchy. Isn't it true then, that Saudi Arabia is a non-muslim country? http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...Apostate/page4 excellent thread, i think it should be revived. "The verses in question are from the words of the Exalted, “If any do fail to judge by what Allah hath revealed, they are Unbelievers,” and in another verse, “They are wrong-doers,” and in a third verse, “They are those who rebel.” The jurisprudents and exegetes of Ahl al-Sunna have explained that these verses, especially the first one, apply to Muslims and are not to be taken at face value. Rather, they are interpreted [beyond the apparent meaning]. To sum up [the interpretation]: If someone abandons ruling by what Allah has revealed because he believes that these verses are not valid and legitimate enough to be applied, then he is, by consensus, an unbeliever and an apostate, and these verses were meant for him. However, if he believes in the legitimacy and validity of these verses but does not apply them out of negligence, then he is still a Muslim, but he is corrupt and has wronged his soul by leaving Allah’s command."
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