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**Honealals** · 05-13-2012, 05:35 AM

Regardless of whether men are obsessed with women or not what statistical evidence can you provide from research conducted in sociology, economics, etc that the majority of problems of the ummah are due to MEN because we are the one's running the society..working...administrating..ruling, etc?
You may have missed the part (in recent economic and social timess) whereby gender-equal societies are failing.

What? Are you for real? You need stats? In Muslim societies all across the globe..overwhelmingly...Men are administrators , Men are rulers , Men are traders , Men are scholars , Men are constructors , Men are ministers , Men are EVERYTHING! So when Muslim societies aren't doing good enough...you'll blame women ? No societies are "falling" apart as much as Muslim societies are..so your point? Pakistan was once a good country..but now...retarded Islamic extremism has made that country a JOKE of the world.."Muslims" don't care that their daughters are given polluted milk , which has SERIOUS biological consequences specially for girls undergoing puberty...but Muslim care if their girls wear a "burka" or not! What backward , illiterate , stinky ,and retarded approach is that? I NEVER saw scholars working aggressively against people who pollute milk , make fake medicines , play with HEALTH CARE of Islamic societies..All Scholars care is "Oh damn! that women's dress is inappropriate"! How sad and hopeless. Health Care is a CIVILIZATIONAL ISSUE..ever wondered why the West spend SO MUCH on health care?

Again what is you statistical evidence for the above. After World War II Great Britain was in ruins and although the work force was women it was the foreign employees that came to the country (men) that assisted in the rebuild of the country.
Sorry but such shallow examples are of no use. British got marshall plan and British's women do work! Even in Japan , women DO work! They work without any societal pressures..no one tells them "You work , hence you will be burned alive again and again" ...

You assume a lot with the cloaking of factual truths which are not there. You have failed to bring into the equation economic debt and how that cripples a society.

What does it has to do with Women's liberties?

You think Pakistan can complete on a global scale if the workforce is increased with women? I think you need to get a better insight in to global economy in the 21st before putting forward hypothesis that have no backing. For an economy to compete on global level , there are MANY factors to be taken care of. But Women's empowerment is NOT just an economic issue. Women should be FREE , EMPOWERED , RESPECTED , and PROTECTED! I don't want men to exploit my sister...I don't want my sister to always live subservient to man...I want her to have AS MANY rights as men have..As many OPPORTUNITIES as men have...I don't know about what you think about your sister though...But I want RESPECT for my sister...not any sub-servient status..

This is not to say I am one for women not working, etc. Frankly as far as I am concerned each individuals situation is different and that of a community, society and a country. But to assume that in 2012 (this is not about 21st century but how economics works as the same principals from 1945. 1955, 1960, etc can not be applied due to the massive changes and shifts in how economics work today) that the solution lies in getting people to work more and work harder and work faster is what is needed for economic growth and stability in society would frankly be naive and a expression of lack of elementary economics Again economic growth is another topic. Women's education and empowerment is a HUGE part of that but there are other factors involved too. I won't discuss this part of your post.

Thanks.

05-13-2012, 05:35 AM	#21
Honealals Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 440 Senior Member	Regardless of whether men are obsessed with women or not what statistical evidence can you provide from research conducted in sociology, economics, etc that the majority of problems of the ummah are due to MEN because we are the one's running the society..working...administrating..ruling, etc? You may have missed the part (in recent economic and social timess) whereby gender-equal societies are failing. What? Are you for real? You need stats? In Muslim societies all across the globe..overwhelmingly...Men are administrators , Men are rulers , Men are traders , Men are scholars , Men are constructors , Men are ministers , Men are EVERYTHING! So when Muslim societies aren't doing good enough...you'll blame women ? No societies are "falling" apart as much as Muslim societies are..so your point? Pakistan was once a good country..but now...retarded Islamic extremism has made that country a JOKE of the world.."Muslims" don't care that their daughters are given polluted milk , which has SERIOUS biological consequences specially for girls undergoing puberty...but Muslim care if their girls wear a "burka" or not! What backward , illiterate , stinky ,and retarded approach is that? I NEVER saw scholars working aggressively against people who pollute milk , make fake medicines , play with HEALTH CARE of Islamic societies..All Scholars care is "Oh damn! that women's dress is inappropriate"! How sad and hopeless. Health Care is a CIVILIZATIONAL ISSUE..ever wondered why the West spend SO MUCH on health care? Again what is you statistical evidence for the above. After World War II Great Britain was in ruins and although the work force was women it was the foreign employees that came to the country (men) that assisted in the rebuild of the country. Sorry but such shallow examples are of no use. British got marshall plan and British's women do work! Even in Japan , women DO work! They work without any societal pressures..no one tells them "You work , hence you will be burned alive again and again" ... You assume a lot with the cloaking of factual truths which are not there. You have failed to bring into the equation economic debt and how that cripples a society. What does it has to do with Women's liberties? You think Pakistan can complete on a global scale if the workforce is increased with women? I think you need to get a better insight in to global economy in the 21st before putting forward hypothesis that have no backing. For an economy to compete on global level , there are MANY factors to be taken care of. But Women's empowerment is NOT just an economic issue. Women should be FREE , EMPOWERED , RESPECTED , and PROTECTED! I don't want men to exploit my sister...I don't want my sister to always live subservient to man...I want her to have AS MANY rights as men have..As many OPPORTUNITIES as men have...I don't know about what you think about your sister though...But I want RESPECT for my sister...not any sub-servient status.. This is not to say I am one for women not working, etc. Frankly as far as I am concerned each individuals situation is different and that of a community, society and a country. But to assume that in 2012 (this is not about 21st century but how economics works as the same principals from 1945. 1955, 1960, etc can not be applied due to the massive changes and shifts in how economics work today) that the solution lies in getting people to work more and work harder and work faster is what is needed for economic growth and stability in society would frankly be naive and a expression of lack of elementary economics Again economic growth is another topic. Women's education and empowerment is a HUGE part of that but there are other factors involved too. I won't discuss this part of your post. Thanks.
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