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**PharmaDrMan** · 05-15-2012, 01:24 PM

Who ever told you that "the bigger the caliber, the bigger the margin or error". has No idea what they are talking about.

I am not here to get into a debate about this issue and I am not really asking for hunting advice. I am asking about how, Islamically, one should balance considerations of quickly putting down an animal while minimizing the spoiling of meat.

No, proficiency, actually marksmanship, is learning to be a good shot.

If you are a bad shot.

Don't go hunting.

Wait until you become a good shot; preferably an excellent shot.

So what do you mean by a "good shot" or an "excellent shot"? "good" and "excellent" are still vague terms.

In Pennsylvania (where I live) most people are considered "proficient" marksmanship for (deer) hunting purposes if they are able to consistently hit a target, at 100 yards, about the size of a pie plate since the vitals on a deer (lungs and heart) generally occupy an area of about that size. However, even though someone capable of shooting at that level of "proficiency" is obviously capable of hitting a deer with a shot that will kill it if it is a broadside shot, they rarely are capable of bringing down a deer instantly.

Given this, how "proficient" a marksman need one be to humanely (from an Islamic perspective) bring down a deer? Should one be capable of 1 MOA at hundred yards? More? Less?

Like I said before; it depends on the animal that you are hunting.

Rabbits, squirrels, turkey, and other small game, require a head shot; so as not to ruin the small amount of meat on the body.

Deer and other large animals need a well placed heart & lung shot to quickly bring them down,

Again, I am not looking for hunting advice. I simply want to know how to balance the consideration of a quick kill (so that it is both humane and the animal is not considered carrion for running off and dying later) and the consideration of not spoiling an excessive amount of meat when selecting a CALIBER to use. In my state, I have options ranging from a .223/5.56 Nato all the way up to a .50 bmg. I know that any one caliber in that range can bring an animal down but some do it with far more margin of error than others while at the same time resulting in more spoiled meat.

I hope that my question is clear now.

Lastly, I am looking for an answer from a fiqh perspective (hence why I posted this in the Hanafi Q&A and am not sure why it was moved here).

05-15-2012, 01:24 PM	#10
PharmaDrMan Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 513 Senior Member	Who ever told you that "the bigger the caliber, the bigger the margin or error". has No idea what they are talking about. I am not here to get into a debate about this issue and I am not really asking for hunting advice. I am asking about how, Islamically, one should balance considerations of quickly putting down an animal while minimizing the spoiling of meat. No, proficiency, actually marksmanship, is learning to be a good shot. If you are a bad shot. Don't go hunting. Wait until you become a good shot; preferably an excellent shot. So what do you mean by a "good shot" or an "excellent shot"? "good" and "excellent" are still vague terms. In Pennsylvania (where I live) most people are considered "proficient" marksmanship for (deer) hunting purposes if they are able to consistently hit a target, at 100 yards, about the size of a pie plate since the vitals on a deer (lungs and heart) generally occupy an area of about that size. However, even though someone capable of shooting at that level of "proficiency" is obviously capable of hitting a deer with a shot that will kill it if it is a broadside shot, they rarely are capable of bringing down a deer instantly. Given this, how "proficient" a marksman need one be to humanely (from an Islamic perspective) bring down a deer? Should one be capable of 1 MOA at hundred yards? More? Less? Like I said before; it depends on the animal that you are hunting. Rabbits, squirrels, turkey, and other small game, require a head shot; so as not to ruin the small amount of meat on the body. Deer and other large animals need a well placed heart & lung shot to quickly bring them down, Again, I am not looking for hunting advice. I simply want to know how to balance the consideration of a quick kill (so that it is both humane and the animal is not considered carrion for running off and dying later) and the consideration of not spoiling an excessive amount of meat when selecting a CALIBER to use. In my state, I have options ranging from a .223/5.56 Nato all the way up to a .50 bmg. I know that any one caliber in that range can bring an animal down but some do it with far more margin of error than others while at the same time resulting in more spoiled meat. I hope that my question is clear now. Lastly, I am looking for an answer from a fiqh perspective (hence why I posted this in the Hanafi Q&A and am not sure why it was moved here).
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