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**craditc** · 04-30-2008, 03:50 PM

Good points.

There is no way in the world a scholar or organization can be totally independent from a government's agenda is they are receiving direct aid in form of funds from them. This is a no-brainer.

I think that is a dated way of looking at things. Not all Muslims are like the Quilliam Foundation or Sufi Muslim Council. Also, there are numerous examples when historically, there was involvement between ulema and government with their independence maintained.

Regardless of the issue surrounding agendas, the point that Shaykh Yaqubi (see above) makes is pertinent. This has been the position of ahle haqq 'ulama for a long time. There are inherent problems in quoting that source on this matter! But I will not go there! For one, Shaykh Abdallah bin Bayyah was Vice President of Mauritania and he is a giant of a scholar.

I remember reading a book about when the foundations of Darul Ulum Deoband were laid, one of the founding principles explicitly states the prohibition from accepting any government funds. The reasoning behind refraining from accepting such funds is obvious. They don't want to be influenced or play in the hands of governments. Again, you are theorising. Major Deobandi organisations in the UK, including the Ebrahim College in East London not only receive government funding, but they use it for programs you might consider part of the 'agenda'. They are doing a great job with that money and ultimately, it is our problem if we cannot accept that Muslims have matured enough to be able to balance the apparent contradictions.

While it's not necessary that the RMW is involved in some "conspiracy", at least the awam (masses) shouldn't have to worry about led by organizations which are funded by the British government.
Too late I'm afraid. See my earlier posts about the great numbers of Muslim organisations which are doing an effective job using central govt funding. It isn't ideal - I agree with you, but it is a reality and actually, I say good on them.

P.S. I little reminder - this isn't Karachi, Damascus or Kabul where you have to ask permission from the authorities to do the smallest things.

04-30-2008, 03:50 PM	#20
craditc Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 524 Senior Member	Good points. There is no way in the world a scholar or organization can be totally independent from a government's agenda is they are receiving direct aid in form of funds from them. This is a no-brainer. I think that is a dated way of looking at things. Not all Muslims are like the Quilliam Foundation or Sufi Muslim Council. Also, there are numerous examples when historically, there was involvement between ulema and government with their independence maintained. Regardless of the issue surrounding agendas, the point that Shaykh Yaqubi (see above) makes is pertinent. This has been the position of ahle haqq 'ulama for a long time. There are inherent problems in quoting that source on this matter! But I will not go there! For one, Shaykh Abdallah bin Bayyah was Vice President of Mauritania and he is a giant of a scholar. I remember reading a book about when the foundations of Darul Ulum Deoband were laid, one of the founding principles explicitly states the prohibition from accepting any government funds. The reasoning behind refraining from accepting such funds is obvious. They don't want to be influenced or play in the hands of governments. Again, you are theorising. Major Deobandi organisations in the UK, including the Ebrahim College in East London not only receive government funding, but they use it for programs you might consider part of the 'agenda'. They are doing a great job with that money and ultimately, it is our problem if we cannot accept that Muslims have matured enough to be able to balance the apparent contradictions. While it's not necessary that the RMW is involved in some "conspiracy", at least the awam (masses) shouldn't have to worry about led by organizations which are funded by the British government. Too late I'm afraid. See my earlier posts about the great numbers of Muslim organisations which are doing an effective job using central govt funding. It isn't ideal - I agree with you, but it is a reality and actually, I say good on them. P.S. I little reminder - this isn't Karachi, Damascus or Kabul where you have to ask permission from the authorities to do the smallest things.
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