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**Cuccuccaltefe** · 04-30-2008, 10:47 PM

Do you really believe Shaykh Hamza needs to be enlightened on this?
We all know rulers can be corrupt. I guess the tale illustrates how Muslims can be murderous, as anyone else.
After everything that Mansur did to the Imam, why would the imam NOT reject the money?

He not only rejected money, but also rejected a post. Care to delve into the reasons why? His rejection of Mansur’s monetary support not only stemmed from the oppression he subjected him to.

Can you make this comparison with the lives of the 1.8 million British Muslims who live in this country? Do we not enjoy government provisions for many, many other things?
If life here is so bad, wouldn't we all leave?
you tease me

The way of the Ulama has been from years before to avoid finances from quarters that wish to influence the way the deen is practiced. This is a simple facet of the way our traditional Ulama – from North Africa to South East Asia – have operated. People in the UK have every right to claim the finances that the government offers in their personal lives. However, when it comes to din and Islam, there is a necessity that our preachers, teachers and Imams are independently-funded. Read Shaykh Abdul Fattah Abu Ghuddah's book on the patience of the Ulama in face of difficulties; he has chapters full of examples of this.

Also read into the circumstances surrounding the whipping that Shaykh Saeed bin Mussayyib was subjected to.

Another point for you: The Dangerous Ideas Tour – April 10 –15 included Sikh Bhangra singers and hip-hop artists. The RMW is really becoming RADICAL. Rishi Rich? Is this the way of traditional Islam?

Then we had “Shaykh” Michael Mumisa, who promotes the idea that the Quran has myth in it! We started with the respected Shaykh Hamza Yusuf and Shaykh Abdul Hakim Murad with their respective claims that minority fiqh is the way forward and that the ruling for apostasy is outdated. And now we have Mumisa promoting that the Quran has myths inside it.

For my friends on SF, let’s just see what the press has to say about Michael Mumisa.
http://education.independent.co.uk/h...cle1197785.ece

“Surprisingly, the minister was unable to enlighten The Independent's reporter, referring her to Forward Thinking, who passed her to Sheikh Michael Mumisa, a University of Birmingham scholar, who had met Rammell. Mumisa isconcerned about the version of Islam that is put across at private Islamic seminaries and the Islamic colleges that offer degrees in Islamic studies validated by British universities. Rammell might be able to influence the latter group.

“Islamic teaching in the seminaries is based on a medieval curriculum which encourages Muslims to believe that Jews and Christians are their enemies condemned to perish in hell. Islamic teaching in the colleges is a glorified seminary curriculum written in modern academic language, says Mumisa. It does not ask serious questions about how to reinterpret medieval texts in a modern pluralist society.”

Seems like Mumisa is a well-connected individual within government aiming to “civilize” (read: reform) the mindset of radical (read: traditional) Muslims.

P.S. RMW has a bad taste for music. Rishi Rich is terrible.

04-30-2008, 10:47 PM	#32
Cuccuccaltefe Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 561 Senior Member	Do you really believe Shaykh Hamza needs to be enlightened on this? We all know rulers can be corrupt. I guess the tale illustrates how Muslims can be murderous, as anyone else. After everything that Mansur did to the Imam, why would the imam NOT reject the money? He not only rejected money, but also rejected a post. Care to delve into the reasons why? His rejection of Mansur’s monetary support not only stemmed from the oppression he subjected him to. Can you make this comparison with the lives of the 1.8 million British Muslims who live in this country? Do we not enjoy government provisions for many, many other things? If life here is so bad, wouldn't we all leave? you tease me The way of the Ulama has been from years before to avoid finances from quarters that wish to influence the way the deen is practiced. This is a simple facet of the way our traditional Ulama – from North Africa to South East Asia – have operated. People in the UK have every right to claim the finances that the government offers in their personal lives. However, when it comes to din and Islam, there is a necessity that our preachers, teachers and Imams are independently-funded. Read Shaykh Abdul Fattah Abu Ghuddah's book on the patience of the Ulama in face of difficulties; he has chapters full of examples of this. Also read into the circumstances surrounding the whipping that Shaykh Saeed bin Mussayyib was subjected to. Another point for you: The Dangerous Ideas Tour – April 10 –15 included Sikh Bhangra singers and hip-hop artists. The RMW is really becoming RADICAL. Rishi Rich? Is this the way of traditional Islam? Then we had “Shaykh” Michael Mumisa, who promotes the idea that the Quran has myth in it! We started with the respected Shaykh Hamza Yusuf and Shaykh Abdul Hakim Murad with their respective claims that minority fiqh is the way forward and that the ruling for apostasy is outdated. And now we have Mumisa promoting that the Quran has myths inside it. For my friends on SF, let’s just see what the press has to say about Michael Mumisa. http://education.independent.co.uk/h...cle1197785.ece “Surprisingly, the minister was unable to enlighten The Independent's reporter, referring her to Forward Thinking, who passed her to Sheikh Michael Mumisa, a University of Birmingham scholar, who had met Rammell. Mumisa isconcerned about the version of Islam that is put across at private Islamic seminaries and the Islamic colleges that offer degrees in Islamic studies validated by British universities. Rammell might be able to influence the latter group. “Islamic teaching in the seminaries is based on a medieval curriculum which encourages Muslims to believe that Jews and Christians are their enemies condemned to perish in hell. Islamic teaching in the colleges is a glorified seminary curriculum written in modern academic language, says Mumisa. It does not ask serious questions about how to reinterpret medieval texts in a modern pluralist society.” Seems like Mumisa is a well-connected individual within government aiming to “civilize” (read: reform) the mindset of radical (read: traditional) Muslims. P.S. RMW has a bad taste for music. Rishi Rich is terrible.
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