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**craditc** · 04-30-2008, 11:03 PM

The fact is quite obvious the Politicians, the media have declared war on Islam, are pro-actively engaged in demonising Islam and Muslims.

waalaikum-salaam

The question is what we do about the demonisation. This is a question bigger than RMW. It's for every Muslim out there. what do we do?

So to pretend that somehow they are Supporting this Radical middleway out of Magnamity towards Islam is quite naive.
I don't think anyone has said that. The RMW was not founded because suddenly the govt love Islam and want it to flourish.

The RMW initiative came out of the Muslim community after 7/7 when many Muslims realised it is not LESS Islam, but MORE Islam (i.e. more education and awareness about what our faith tells us to do in difficult circumstances) that is the solution.

It is an honest partnership - the authorities worry about terrorism and Muslims worry not only about terrorism but of a debilitating ideology that is eating out the core of some of our young people. Ultimately, everyone talks about the 52 people killed on 7/7 but WHO is thinking of the four young men who led themselves to believe there is no other way except to kill themselves. Who thinks about offering THEM an alternative?

the RMW is about saying don't be afraid of Islam because the faith can be a genuine tool against extremism, and the best Muslim is the best kind of citizen - confident enough to freely speak out against injustice, and confident enough to our faith lays out clear boundaries in the fight for justice.

Sure we enjoy many rights living in the west no one is denying that. Yes we have less rights in western sponsored puppert regimes in the muslim world. I'm just saying the brothers who make unequivocal judgements about how dire the situation here in the UK is, should keep this in perspective. This is what our scholars advise us anyway. Britain ain't perfect and there is so much work to do but ultimately, as the former President of FOSIS once said, I'd rather be in a jail in the UK than in some backwater prison in a Muslim country where I may never see daylight again. How many guantanamos exist across the Muslim world?

To accept funds and support from a government whose agenda is to undermine Islam, is inappropiate, to say the least. I agree with you and I know where you are coming from. Ultimately, however this was a difficult decision made in consultation with many shuyukh (and I am not fibbing about this) and ultimately, the proof is in the pudding (i.e. the work RMW is doing, that is featured on the website).

and that's without taking into account that our lives as Muslims are intertwined with government in many, many ways. I do pay tax and at the end of the day, those civil servants are MY and YOUR civil servants.

Maybe some of us protest by disengaging and maybe some of us fight the fight by engaging.

04-30-2008, 11:03 PM	#34
craditc Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 524 Senior Member	The fact is quite obvious the Politicians, the media have declared war on Islam, are pro-actively engaged in demonising Islam and Muslims. waalaikum-salaam The question is what we do about the demonisation. This is a question bigger than RMW. It's for every Muslim out there. what do we do? So to pretend that somehow they are Supporting this Radical middleway out of Magnamity towards Islam is quite naive. I don't think anyone has said that. The RMW was not founded because suddenly the govt love Islam and want it to flourish. The RMW initiative came out of the Muslim community after 7/7 when many Muslims realised it is not LESS Islam, but MORE Islam (i.e. more education and awareness about what our faith tells us to do in difficult circumstances) that is the solution. It is an honest partnership - the authorities worry about terrorism and Muslims worry not only about terrorism but of a debilitating ideology that is eating out the core of some of our young people. Ultimately, everyone talks about the 52 people killed on 7/7 but WHO is thinking of the four young men who led themselves to believe there is no other way except to kill themselves. Who thinks about offering THEM an alternative? the RMW is about saying don't be afraid of Islam because the faith can be a genuine tool against extremism, and the best Muslim is the best kind of citizen - confident enough to freely speak out against injustice, and confident enough to our faith lays out clear boundaries in the fight for justice. Sure we enjoy many rights living in the west no one is denying that. Yes we have less rights in western sponsored puppert regimes in the muslim world. I'm just saying the brothers who make unequivocal judgements about how dire the situation here in the UK is, should keep this in perspective. This is what our scholars advise us anyway. Britain ain't perfect and there is so much work to do but ultimately, as the former President of FOSIS once said, I'd rather be in a jail in the UK than in some backwater prison in a Muslim country where I may never see daylight again. How many guantanamos exist across the Muslim world? To accept funds and support from a government whose agenda is to undermine Islam, is inappropiate, to say the least. I agree with you and I know where you are coming from. Ultimately, however this was a difficult decision made in consultation with many shuyukh (and I am not fibbing about this) and ultimately, the proof is in the pudding (i.e. the work RMW is doing, that is featured on the website). and that's without taking into account that our lives as Muslims are intertwined with government in many, many ways. I do pay tax and at the end of the day, those civil servants are MY and YOUR civil servants. Maybe some of us protest by disengaging and maybe some of us fight the fight by engaging.
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