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**xIuvyAuT** · 05-07-2012, 01:26 AM

Being a muslim is believing la ilaha ilallah muhammad ar-rasoolallah, which entails obeying them, and following the religion of muhammad.

Being born in a state which is conducive, or inclined to accepting this as a fact, is not the same as actually accepting it

That's all fitra is, natural disposition towards islam. It isn't the same as being a muslim, since when you are born you don't even know who muhammad salallahu alaihi wasalam is. Being inclined to believing in Allah doesn't make you a muslim. Christians and jews are kuffar, even though they believe in Allah.

Anyway I don't want to get into an argument.

walaykum salam

then you will agree that those born into a Muslim family

are also on their fitra

and are not born obeying the deen brought by Muhammad (saws) until they are educated in it -

(which is wrongly implied when we say 'a born Muslim' for one born into a Muslim family).

therefore although we can say some is born into a Muslim family

we can not say that someone was born 'a Muslim' simply because of his being born into a Muslim family

apart from in the sense that all all born on fitra -

however, if we say all are born Muslims -

meaning in the sense that they are in submission to Allah and are in a fitra state -

this makes a great deal of sense to me personally.

Anyway at the end of the day what point I was aiming to make is that Islam is not something in the blood of particular groups only (even though very sadly many people use language that implies it) it is the birthright of humanity - the person from a non-Muslim family who becomes a Muslim is merely claiming their birthright and following the true nature of creation - not going against it.

05-07-2012, 01:26 AM	#34
xIuvyAuT Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 550 Senior Member	Being a muslim is believing la ilaha ilallah muhammad ar-rasoolallah, which entails obeying them, and following the religion of muhammad. Being born in a state which is conducive, or inclined to accepting this as a fact, is not the same as actually accepting it That's all fitra is, natural disposition towards islam. It isn't the same as being a muslim, since when you are born you don't even know who muhammad salallahu alaihi wasalam is. Being inclined to believing in Allah doesn't make you a muslim. Christians and jews are kuffar, even though they believe in Allah. Anyway I don't want to get into an argument. walaykum salam then you will agree that those born into a Muslim family are also on their fitra and are not born obeying the deen brought by Muhammad (saws) until they are educated in it - (which is wrongly implied when we say 'a born Muslim' for one born into a Muslim family). therefore although we can say some is born into a Muslim family we can not say that someone was born 'a Muslim' simply because of his being born into a Muslim family apart from in the sense that all all born on fitra - however, if we say all are born Muslims - meaning in the sense that they are in submission to Allah and are in a fitra state - this makes a great deal of sense to me personally. Anyway at the end of the day what point I was aiming to make is that Islam is not something in the blood of particular groups only (even though very sadly many people use language that implies it) it is the birthright of humanity - the person from a non-Muslim family who becomes a Muslim is merely claiming their birthright and following the true nature of creation - not going against it.
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