This is what goes wrong in threads like these on the entire net . How it dose more harm then good. The mass media world we live in leaves no one untouched of controversy . Now people like me who might have benefited from both these two individuals on their general topics will all of a sudden find them troublesome and doubtful . This makes urgent the need for more information to go in depth on their beliefs and potentially ruin my appetite for any message they give. I rather have not known about the odd speech they said or event that happened and focused on what they stand for overall. You can never get the hard line supporters of any individual 'sheikh' tackling these issues which creates a lasting image of their 'icon' status . The new practicing Muslim and new at Islam find themselves without a ' mawla ' / leader. Very soon they find themselves alone in masses of millions of the same faith.