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**blankostaroe** · 05-02-2012, 03:15 PM

no they are not, they are athari only the extreme salafis are as you have described just as extreme sufi can be perrenialist and pantheists.

A pantheist is a Mushrik and a Perrenialist is at best a deviant, so they can't be Sufis in reality. Sufis are Sunni Muslims. Just because someone claims to be something doesn't mean they are what they claim.

Same thing with the Salafis. I was one myself for 4 years and I live in a city with a lot of different Salafi groups. I have yet to encounter a true Athari among them. They all ascribe to the 'aqida of Ibn Taymiyya, Ibn al-Qayyim, and Ibn 'Abd al-Wahhab.

Here is a relevant fatwa:

http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=11948

Please clarify whether the Imaams of Masjid-e-Haraam (Shuraim & Sudais) belong to Ahle Sunnah wal Jamaat. Which fiqh do they follow?

Answer 11948 2004-06-22

The Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'ah, that are found today, are made up of two groups viz. the Ashaa'irah and the Maatudridiyyah. The wahabis are classified as Ahlul Bidah and out of the Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaa'ah. (Al-Muhannad Pg.46).

In order to ascertain whether the Imams of the Haram are Wahabis or not, it will be necessary to enquire from them. It is not possible to pass a ruling without asking the person himself, unless he openly declares being a wahabi and not from the Ashaa'irah or Maaturidiyyah. As for their fiqh, some claim that they are ghair-muqallids while others say they are Hambalis. Here too, it will be necessary to enquire directly from them

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

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blankostaroe Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 445 Senior Member	no they are not, they are athari only the extreme salafis are as you have described just as extreme sufi can be perrenialist and pantheists. A pantheist is a Mushrik and a Perrenialist is at best a deviant, so they can't be Sufis in reality. Sufis are Sunni Muslims. Just because someone claims to be something doesn't mean they are what they claim. Same thing with the Salafis. I was one myself for 4 years and I live in a city with a lot of different Salafi groups. I have yet to encounter a true Athari among them. They all ascribe to the 'aqida of Ibn Taymiyya, Ibn al-Qayyim, and Ibn 'Abd al-Wahhab. Here is a relevant fatwa: http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=11948 Please clarify whether the Imaams of Masjid-e-Haraam (Shuraim & Sudais) belong to Ahle Sunnah wal Jamaat. Which fiqh do they follow? Answer 11948 2004-06-22 The Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'ah, that are found today, are made up of two groups viz. the Ashaa'irah and the Maatudridiyyah. The wahabis are classified as Ahlul Bidah and out of the Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaa'ah. (Al-Muhannad Pg.46). In order to ascertain whether the Imams of the Haram are Wahabis or not, it will be necessary to enquire from them. It is not possible to pass a ruling without asking the person himself, unless he openly declares being a wahabi and not from the Ashaa'irah or Maaturidiyyah. As for their fiqh, some claim that they are ghair-muqallids while others say they are Hambalis. Here too, it will be necessary to enquire directly from them and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best 1SOCIAL DEPT. CHECKED & APPROVED: Mufti Ebrahim Desai
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