[beonecenry]

My dear respected brothers and sisters. I have a question which I know is not a part of aqeedah as such and we are not here to judge our glorious ancestors in a bad way () but I am only asking to clear doubts in my mind.

The question is did Amir Muawiya ra hate ali ra?

Why do I ask such a devisive question.

Because in the lectures I have heard from shia "scholars" referring to classical scholars/books from ibne kather ra to imam ahmad ra - they quote these books openly with references and with the book in their hand that amir muawiyah ra started the cursing of ali ra which carried on until umar bin abdul aziz ra stopped it. Other companions such as Mugheerah bin shubah ra and marwan bin hakam ra (not sure if he is a sahabi) under muawiyah ra khalifa cursed ali ra on the minbar regularly.
I have heard this accusation reblurted out also by the braelwi/sufi-type "scholars" such sheikh Ninowy, tahir qadri, and some pir guy who kinda implies all the banu ummayah khalifah except umar bin abdul aziz ra were bad but particularly umar bin abdul aziz ra stopped the cursing of ali ra.
Then some other speakers such as kamal al makki (The history of Fitnah) and bashar asla (Ummayad Caliphate) also imply that muawiyah ra started the cursing of ali ra.
Then I hear the shias loving to quote the hadith muawiyah ra asking saad ra why did he not curse ali ra? I have also read in hayatus sahabah of an incident when muawiyah ra left mugheerah bin shubah ra as a governer - a man came to mugheera bin shubah ra and insulted ali ra to his face. Mugheerah bin shubah ra did not disapprove - however saeed bin zayd ra was there and then he reprimanded mugheerah bin shubah ra by informing him of the 10 companions who recieved the glad tidings of jannah.

There just seems to be too many references to muawiyah ra hating ali ra. please can a knowleagable person advise and I do not want a raifdhi to hijack this thread.

Now my question is purely on muawiyah ra hating ali ra and I do not doubt that he was a great sahabi, a great amir, a kaatibi wahi, a sahabi who gave his life for allah swt. I love and respect muawiyah ra but can we say even though we ackowledge his status that he ra as a sahabi made some mistakes with regards to 1) siffeen 2) hating ali ra 3) appointing his son yazid a successor despite being warned to hence why people say that umar bin abdul aziz was a better khalifah than muawiyah ra (the 5th rightly guided khalifa).

May allah swt forgive me for anything that I said wrong. ameen.