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**GinaGomesz** · 05-04-2012, 12:20 PM

It is quite clear that muawiyah did dislike Ali (ra).

YOU NEED TO BE WHIPPED FOR SLANDERING AGAINST THE SAHABAH....!

8.First from Tabari

ت قال أحمد قال على عن جويرية بن أسماء أن بسر بن أبى أرطاة نال من
على عند معاوية وزيد بن عمر بن الخطاب جالس فعلاه بعصا فشجه فقال معاوية لزيد عمدت إلى شيخ من قريش سيد أهل الشأم فضربته وأقبل على بسر فقال تشتم عليا وهو جده وابن الفاروق على رءوس الناس أو كنت ترى أنه يصبر على ذلك ثم أرضاهما جميعا قال وقال معاوية إنى لارفع نفسي من أن يكون ذنب أعظم من عفوى وجهل أكثر من حلمي أو عورة لا أواريها بستري أو إساءة أكثر من إحساني قال وقال معاوية زين الشريف العفاف قال وقال معاوية ما من شئ أحب إلى من عين خرارة في أرض خوارة فقال عمرو بن العاص ما من شئ أحب إلى من أن أبيت عروسا بعقيلة من عقائل العرب فقال وردان مولى عمرو بن العاص ما من شئ أحب إلى من الافضال على الاخوان فقال معاوية أنا أحق بهذا منك قال ما تحب فافعل
Ahmed said that Ali bin Juwairya bin Asma said that Bisr bin abi Artaa said bad things about Ali in Muwaiya’s presence while Zaid bin Umar bin Alkhattab was sitting so he got up with a stick and hit his head. Then Muwaiya said to Zaid: you came to a Sheikh from Quraish, master of the people of Syria and hit him?! Then he went to Bisr and said: you verbally abuse Ali and he is his grandfather, and the son of Farooq (Umar) is above the heads of the people. did you believe that he be patient with that?! Then he reconciled between them. And Muwaiya said: It’s not fitting that a fault be greater than my forgiveness or ignorance greater than my forebearance, or a shame which I do not conceal with my veil, or malice greater than my benevolence, and Muawiya also said: The most noble person is the generous one. And he also said: nothing is more loved by me than a plentiful spring in a desert land. And Amru bin al Aas said: nothing is more beloved to me than to spend a night newly married by one of the Arab families. Wirdan the servant of Amro said: Nothing is more loved by me than being kind to the brothers. Then Muwaiya said: I have more right in this than you. He said: Is there anything you’d like so I can serve you? [(At-Tabari Vol. 4 Pg 248) & (Ibn Atheer Vol 4 Pg 5)]

Comment: Muawiya(ra) scolded the person who abused Ali(ra) and neither did he encourage that person to do that.

05-04-2012, 12:20 PM	#16
GinaGomesz Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 558 Senior Member	It is quite clear that muawiyah did dislike Ali (ra). YOU NEED TO BE WHIPPED FOR SLANDERING AGAINST THE SAHABAH....! 8.First from Tabari ت قال أحمد قال على عن جويرية بن أسماء أن بسر بن أبى أرطاة نال من على عند معاوية وزيد بن عمر بن الخطاب جالس فعلاه بعصا فشجه فقال معاوية لزيد عمدت إلى شيخ من قريش سيد أهل الشأم فضربته وأقبل على بسر فقال تشتم عليا وهو جده وابن الفاروق على رءوس الناس أو كنت ترى أنه يصبر على ذلك ثم أرضاهما جميعا قال وقال معاوية إنى لارفع نفسي من أن يكون ذنب أعظم من عفوى وجهل أكثر من حلمي أو عورة لا أواريها بستري أو إساءة أكثر من إحساني قال وقال معاوية زين الشريف العفاف قال وقال معاوية ما من شئ أحب إلى من عين خرارة في أرض خوارة فقال عمرو بن العاص ما من شئ أحب إلى من أن أبيت عروسا بعقيلة من عقائل العرب فقال وردان مولى عمرو بن العاص ما من شئ أحب إلى من الافضال على الاخوان فقال معاوية أنا أحق بهذا منك قال ما تحب فافعل Ahmed said that Ali bin Juwairya bin Asma said that Bisr bin abi Artaa said bad things about Ali in Muwaiya’s presence while Zaid bin Umar bin Alkhattab was sitting so he got up with a stick and hit his head. Then Muwaiya said to Zaid: you came to a Sheikh from Quraish, master of the people of Syria and hit him?! Then he went to Bisr and said: you verbally abuse Ali and he is his grandfather, and the son of Farooq (Umar) is above the heads of the people. did you believe that he be patient with that?! Then he reconciled between them. And Muwaiya said: It’s not fitting that a fault be greater than my forgiveness or ignorance greater than my forebearance, or a shame which I do not conceal with my veil, or malice greater than my benevolence, and Muawiya also said: The most noble person is the generous one. And he also said: nothing is more loved by me than a plentiful spring in a desert land. And Amru bin al Aas said: nothing is more beloved to me than to spend a night newly married by one of the Arab families. Wirdan the servant of Amro said: Nothing is more loved by me than being kind to the brothers. Then Muwaiya said: I have more right in this than you. He said: Is there anything you’d like so I can serve you? [(At-Tabari Vol. 4 Pg 248) & (Ibn Atheer Vol 4 Pg 5)] Comment: Muawiya(ra) scolded the person who abused Ali(ra) and neither did he encourage that person to do that.
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