[Opislossy]

Getting down to the very basics, the bare bones of it. Every behaviour, word, letter that is externalised by billions of people on earth has morality linked to it.

My question is Does objective morality need Allah? Can we have an objective paradigm of morality without Allah? Does it make sense to have an objective morality without Allah? Or is every law, judgement, moral, value, belief, idea, behaviour based on subjective morality? If this is the case, are we not a lost cause?

Subjective morality is based on culture and values of the place at that time. Subjective morality changes with time and place. A thing that maybe be morally OK in the UK, may not be OK in China, A thing that may be morally OK in Pakistan, may not be in Nigeria. A thing that may be morally OK in the 12th century, may not be OK in the 21st century.

Every person's morals are based on the place they live and the time they live in:


For the Aztec's "sacrificing" human beings (with feelings and who felt pain, had families) for their gods was perfectly morally right .

For the Mongols ransacking and committing genocide on Baghdad and the Muslims was morally right .

For the European Imperialists invading and taking over the lands of the Americas was morally right

For Hitler and Nazi Germany killing the Jews and other minorities and believing in Aryan race supremacy was morally right

For Winston Churchill calling Palestinian dogs and the indigenous Australian people as an inferior race to the Imperialists was morally right .

For the Israelis killing Palestinans and "defending" against Hamas is morally right.

For NATO destroying and killing the Iraqis, the Afghans, the Libyans and the Pakistanis is morally right .


What is morally right and wrong?

In the West walking around in a bikini top and a skirt is morally right and fine to do, in places like India walking around in a T-shirt and jeans is morally right and fine to do, in Muslim countries walking around with hijab is morally right and the other two are not.

What is "right"? Is there even a "right"? Is everything "right"? Is everything "wrong"? What is our morality based on?


Is the only objective morality based on evolution? Murder is wrong, because it puts the existence of our species at risk, so we all know murder is "wrong"? Maybe.

However in that case,

Why is a group of thugs entering a house, raping a child, the mother, killing the father and stealing everything wrong? If our objective morality is based purely on evolution and we are purely animals who share a common ancestor with the modern ape then how is this "wrong"? If it is wrong then why? Who said it is wrong?

If the only objective morality is based on evolution then the above example is fine to do based on survival and fulfilling our basic desires. And this is obviously "wrong" to everyone. So do we only have subjective morality?

No human can judge, impose law, impose behaviours, impose culture on others as "right" or "wrong". For example marijuana is illegal in the UK and therefore "wrong", but legal in the Netherlands and therefore "not wrong", but the law that it is illegal in the UK is based on the government's own subjective morality. Why do they have the right to impose laws on other human beings? .

Is it not biased to impose laws on others based on subjective morality? Who is right and wrong? The UK or the Netherlands?


The solution?

Only an external source can impose judgement on humans. A non-human can impose judgement on the humans. This will stop it being based on subjective morality of the humans. A lion imposing judgement on humans is objective morality, it is a external source of judgement and no place or value of the humans can affect it, it is the same for all! Whether you live in China in the 8th century or the UK in the 21st century.


So it must be external and this external source of judgement can be Allah and this is objective morality.

This morality problem DOES NOT prove the existence of God, but it appears there is a NEED of God to exist.


Salam.