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**Eujacwta** · 04-07-2012, 02:43 PM

Democracy isn't one rigid system of government. The democratic government of UK is different to that of the USA, both of which are different to that of Germany.

Islamic also has a different form of democracy. Doesn't mean fodder for the shias as the system they propose is that of a kind of monarchy whereas as demonstrated the Islamic system is democracy, well atleast before yazeed it was.

Was Imam Hussain not fighting for Democracy (i.e. right for the ummah to choose) or was he(RA) fighting for his own kingship? I think the former myself.

salam

Assalamu Alaikum

A lot of Muslims do believe in Democracy, but I think at the end of the day the difference between an 'Islamic' Democracy and an 'un-Islamic' Democracy is that in an Islamic Democracy we would still accept the sovereignty belongs to Allah and rule accordingly, although rulers would still be chosen according to some form of electoral process.

Monarchy is obviously not an Islamic system as such, but it is a system associated to traditionalism and Muslim monarchs (imperfect as they often were) have usually (but not always) supported Islam in Muslim countries,

this is unlike Democracy which has become very much historically associated with secular fundamentalism and the war against Islam in Muslim countries.

Maybe we will see some interesting forms of Democratic government develop in future that are more accommodating towards Islam or which exist as actual functional 'Islamic Democracies' where the constitution is based upon the Holy Qur'an and the Sunnah InshaAllah.

All that said - it is still possible to argue very strongly for Amirate and direct personal rule of a Caliph chosen by the same system as that which chose the four rightly guided Caliphs (which was essentially nomination by the wise elders of Islam), however the Muslim Ummah is far bigger than it was in those days and choosing who could have a say today could be more difficult than then.

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Eujacwta Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 439 Senior Member	Democracy isn't one rigid system of government. The democratic government of UK is different to that of the USA, both of which are different to that of Germany. Islamic also has a different form of democracy. Doesn't mean fodder for the shias as the system they propose is that of a kind of monarchy whereas as demonstrated the Islamic system is democracy, well atleast before yazeed it was. Was Imam Hussain not fighting for Democracy (i.e. right for the ummah to choose) or was he(RA) fighting for his own kingship? I think the former myself. salam Assalamu Alaikum A lot of Muslims do believe in Democracy, but I think at the end of the day the difference between an 'Islamic' Democracy and an 'un-Islamic' Democracy is that in an Islamic Democracy we would still accept the sovereignty belongs to Allah and rule accordingly, although rulers would still be chosen according to some form of electoral process. Monarchy is obviously not an Islamic system as such, but it is a system associated to traditionalism and Muslim monarchs (imperfect as they often were) have usually (but not always) supported Islam in Muslim countries, this is unlike Democracy which has become very much historically associated with secular fundamentalism and the war against Islam in Muslim countries. Maybe we will see some interesting forms of Democratic government develop in future that are more accommodating towards Islam or which exist as actual functional 'Islamic Democracies' where the constitution is based upon the Holy Qur'an and the Sunnah InshaAllah. All that said - it is still possible to argue very strongly for Amirate and direct personal rule of a Caliph chosen by the same system as that which chose the four rightly guided Caliphs (which was essentially nomination by the wise elders of Islam), however the Muslim Ummah is far bigger than it was in those days and choosing who could have a say today could be more difficult than then.
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