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**Eujacwta** · 04-07-2012, 02:54 PM

Since the hadith talks about kingship, rule by force, etc coming after khilafah, then to me this means khilafah cannot be a rule by force or a rule by kingship. Definition by negation.

Assalamu Alaikum

I think if you ask the scholars they will tell you that this use of 'khilafah' refers to true Caliphate.

They would mostly still tell you to obey the Muslim ruler who calls himself Caliph but rules by force - like was the case with the Ummayads, Abbasids and Ottomans, so long as he is already established, supports Islam to at least the minimum extent that he must as ruler of a Muslim country and has taken the oath of allegiance from the Muslim masses.

They were Caliphs of a sort (but apart from a few like Umar Ibn Abdul Aziz (ra) they were not rightly guided Caliphs and their rule was essentially that of kingship not that of khilafat, yet with most of these Caliph-Kings (so long as they claimed to support Ahlus Sunnah) the Ulema generally gave them support in their continued rule and in Sunni mosques of east and west they were prayed for at Juma.

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Eujacwta Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 439 Senior Member	Since the hadith talks about kingship, rule by force, etc coming after khilafah, then to me this means khilafah cannot be a rule by force or a rule by kingship. Definition by negation. Assalamu Alaikum I think if you ask the scholars they will tell you that this use of 'khilafah' refers to true Caliphate. They would mostly still tell you to obey the Muslim ruler who calls himself Caliph but rules by force - like was the case with the Ummayads, Abbasids and Ottomans, so long as he is already established, supports Islam to at least the minimum extent that he must as ruler of a Muslim country and has taken the oath of allegiance from the Muslim masses. They were Caliphs of a sort (but apart from a few like Umar Ibn Abdul Aziz (ra) they were not rightly guided Caliphs and their rule was essentially that of kingship not that of khilafat, yet with most of these Caliph-Kings (so long as they claimed to support Ahlus Sunnah) the Ulema generally gave them support in their continued rule and in Sunni mosques of east and west they were prayed for at Juma.
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