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**kHy87gPC** · 04-08-2012, 05:23 AM

Monarchy is more Islamic than Democracy. Democracies and voting are just random patterns designed to put someone in power.............

Firstly,
I don't blame you, this actually is what many muslims around the world think. They look at the many muslim countries and see absolute monarchies and absolute presidencies and assume this must be the islamic way, how else would it come to being.

Monarchy means the son (most times) of the current king will be the next ruler and according to democracies, the one supported by the people will be the leader. So keeping that in mind, did a member of the prophet's(PBUH) family succeed him(pbuh) or someone accepted by the people?

random voting.....so in democracies people go out to the polling booths and randomly put X against a candidate randomly, post their vote and walk out, or do people (try to) look at the policies/pledges/manifestos being made and vote according to that. Brother Abu Zaki, have you ever voted in a general/national election?

Politics and political systems are hard to explain even for the experts but here i will try to clarify my position of the system of Islam being democracy.

Democracy isn't one rigid system, it has many variations. The concept of "shura" can be explained in the modern sense by comparing it to a one party system democracy, this would be akin to comparing how individual parties function in multi-party sytems. Leaders are chosen by a small group of people rather than the lay man. the people vote for the party (although a good leader is a BIG plus) but the party can decide who the leader will be. e.g. when Tony Blair resigned as PM, Gordon brown followed him as PM without a new General election. In affect Gordon Brown and Tony Blair were both viable candidates as party leaders in 1997 election, but Gordon Brown gave his "Bayah" to Tony Blair.

question is who chooses the shura, and who qualifies to be in the shura. This can only be decided by the ummah as a whole in the modern day.

This is a complicated yopic and I don't wish to write long posts, so i would appreciate if someone could point out a question or direction for me to tackle and expand on this discussion.

Jazakallah

04-08-2012, 05:23 AM	#29
kHy87gPC Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 505 Senior Member	Monarchy is more Islamic than Democracy. Democracies and voting are just random patterns designed to put someone in power............. Firstly, I don't blame you, this actually is what many muslims around the world think. They look at the many muslim countries and see absolute monarchies and absolute presidencies and assume this must be the islamic way, how else would it come to being. Monarchy means the son (most times) of the current king will be the next ruler and according to democracies, the one supported by the people will be the leader. So keeping that in mind, did a member of the prophet's(PBUH) family succeed him(pbuh) or someone accepted by the people? random voting.....so in democracies people go out to the polling booths and randomly put X against a candidate randomly, post their vote and walk out, or do people (try to) look at the policies/pledges/manifestos being made and vote according to that. Brother Abu Zaki, have you ever voted in a general/national election? Politics and political systems are hard to explain even for the experts but here i will try to clarify my position of the system of Islam being democracy. Democracy isn't one rigid system, it has many variations. The concept of "shura" can be explained in the modern sense by comparing it to a one party system democracy, this would be akin to comparing how individual parties function in multi-party sytems. Leaders are chosen by a small group of people rather than the lay man. the people vote for the party (although a good leader is a BIG plus) but the party can decide who the leader will be. e.g. when Tony Blair resigned as PM, Gordon brown followed him as PM without a new General election. In affect Gordon Brown and Tony Blair were both viable candidates as party leaders in 1997 election, but Gordon Brown gave his "Bayah" to Tony Blair. question is who chooses the shura, and who qualifies to be in the shura. This can only be decided by the ummah as a whole in the modern day. This is a complicated yopic and I don't wish to write long posts, so i would appreciate if someone could point out a question or direction for me to tackle and expand on this discussion. Jazakallah
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