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**NvrNoNowX** · 04-23-2012, 09:24 AM

In Islam, Adultery is punished by stoning and if 4 people claim to have seen someone committing adultery then the punishment is carried out

My question is how do we know the 4 people are telling the truth? 4 people can easily conspire together to kill someone, so what if 4 people accuse someone of adultery and get him killed? They can do it over and over again with anyone whom they hate

Under an Islamic State, what is there to prevent this from happening? This is not something that would take place rarely, it could in fact happen all the time. The Quran only mentions 4 witnesses as the requirement for the punishment, but is that all that is required? Wouldn't that mean that 4 friends can team up together against someone and have him killed by falsely accusing him of adultery?

No, this does not, and could not happen "all the time" because the punishment for giving a false testimony against a chaste woman/man is 80 lashes.
And those who accuse chaste women and then do not produce four witnesses - lash them with eighty lashes and do not accept from them testimony ever after. (24:4)

I dont think many people are willing to risk such a punishment. So the chances of this happening is very small.

Also, the four witnesses unanimously have to testify as witnesses to the zina. If even one of them retracts their testimony, all four of them will be lashed 80 lashes. So for this to happen, the four liars would have to have immense trust in each other.

And another thing, the four liars will have their backgrounds checked. If they are known as pious and truthful people among their society, their testimony will be accepted. But since these four people are planning to lie against a chaste man/woman and are prepared to take an oath on it, chances are, they are NOT known as pious or truthful people among their society, and therefore, their testimony will NOT be accepted.

And if for some reason, the four liars get lucky and their testimony is accepted (very small chance of this happening, considering all the things mentioned above), then its not like they've gotten away with it. Allah's curse shall be upon them, and they shall have a severe punishment in the after life.
And the fifth [oath will be] that the curse of Allah be upon him if he should be among the liars. (24:7) (

And the chaste man/woman who was stoned will have died as a martyr and will attain the highest ranks of Jannah.

So in the end, who wins?

04-23-2012, 09:24 AM	#8
NvrNoNowX Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 567 Senior Member	In Islam, Adultery is punished by stoning and if 4 people claim to have seen someone committing adultery then the punishment is carried out My question is how do we know the 4 people are telling the truth? 4 people can easily conspire together to kill someone, so what if 4 people accuse someone of adultery and get him killed? They can do it over and over again with anyone whom they hate Under an Islamic State, what is there to prevent this from happening? This is not something that would take place rarely, it could in fact happen all the time. The Quran only mentions 4 witnesses as the requirement for the punishment, but is that all that is required? Wouldn't that mean that 4 friends can team up together against someone and have him killed by falsely accusing him of adultery? No, this does not, and could not happen "all the time" because the punishment for giving a false testimony against a chaste woman/man is 80 lashes. And those who accuse chaste women and then do not produce four witnesses - lash them with eighty lashes and do not accept from them testimony ever after. (24:4) I dont think many people are willing to risk such a punishment. So the chances of this happening is very small. Also, the four witnesses unanimously have to testify as witnesses to the zina. If even one of them retracts their testimony, all four of them will be lashed 80 lashes. So for this to happen, the four liars would have to have immense trust in each other. And another thing, the four liars will have their backgrounds checked. If they are known as pious and truthful people among their society, their testimony will be accepted. But since these four people are planning to lie against a chaste man/woman and are prepared to take an oath on it, chances are, they are NOT known as pious or truthful people among their society, and therefore, their testimony will NOT be accepted. And if for some reason, the four liars get lucky and their testimony is accepted (very small chance of this happening, considering all the things mentioned above), then its not like they've gotten away with it. Allah's curse shall be upon them, and they shall have a severe punishment in the after life. And the fifth [oath will be] that the curse of Allah be upon him if he should be among the liars. (24:7) ( And the chaste man/woman who was stoned will have died as a martyr and will attain the highest ranks of Jannah. So in the end, who wins?
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