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**dodsCooggipsedebt** · 04-18-2012, 01:30 PM

The same with Malaysia. As brother refai has mentioned most of the muslims are very lax and proper islam. There is also severe discrimination in Malaysia and is not just limited to saudi arabia. The hindu malaysians and chinese are ever increasing and it looks like one day non-muslims will rule the place. A sister who posts on this forum is from Malaysia. It is very hard to find a good job and inflation is very high. You will be working long hours and will get hardly any leave. The islam is some modernist islam some twisted ideology first initiated by mahatir and then consolidated by his successor.

I'll just comment about Malaysia as I found that a few of your statements are incorrect.

I don't think that Malaysia will lose power to the kuffar just yet. Don't know what excatly that means anyway. Would be beneficial if it can be explained further,

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Malaysia is still a developing Islamic country with the idealogy wars are mainly fought between the nationalist group and Islamist group. Islamist group is led by the Malaysian Islamic Party (locally known as PAS). There are a few other branches but most of them are basically consolidated under PAS. 'Western cultures" are mostly very visible in big cities. But even then, Islam's influence is gaining traction. Historically, Islam has a much better atmosphere in Malaysia now than it was some 20 or more years ago.

There are a few states, namely Kelantan, Kedah, Trengganu and to some extend certain parts of Johore and Pahang which are still practicing traditional Islam very seriously. These states are closely related to the Southern Thailand where a group of Muslims are waging jihad to reclaim the land of the Muslims there (most of the people from around the area are relatives by the way with the Muslims from the Southern Thailand). The states with large number of non-Muslims Chinese or Indians are basically incline more towards the nationalist group, basically to counter the Islamists influence.

Discrimination is actually very rare. In the PAS led government (the states that I mentioned), discriminations played no rule as high posts are usually given to those who are Islamically sound background irrespective of race (you can find some Malaysians preachers who are giving da'wah irrespective of ethinicity on youtube. Actually a few of the more famous da'wah preachers are Chinese and Indians). As for the nationalists, cronyism issue still is a serious matter as they try to retain their influences.

In most cases, I wouldn't term any ugly encounters as discriminations, it's more like the clash of cultures than anything else. This sometimes happens between the Malays, Chinese and Indians. Also between some foreigners and the locals, but mostly that happens because of cultural clash (like the foreigners organize some drinking party and cause some fights with the locals after that). The issue is usually contained almost immediately by the police.

Almost every area in Malaysia at least has a two level crime prevention mechanism. Locals volunteer to patrol the area, and the patrolling police as the next level should any matter be escalated.

Local sharia law is gradually implemented and expanded, with the jurisdiction will be expanded towards criminal cases hopefully in the future. Aside from what has been implemented, the technicality of the law and the process, (providing good defense lawyer who are well verse with the law, the trial documentation process, proper and thorough trials and so forth) are still being developed. These are mainly possible after technocrates who are well verse in the Islamic laws are graduated from the few Islamic universities around the country. Those universities were setup in the 80's (International Islamic University, Islamic Academy University of Malaya, etc), I guess, to realize the dream of having a full and complete shariah governance

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Inflation is not as bad as some people say. I would say that inflation yearly is more or less around 5%.

As per working long hours, a few laws are still in the amendment process. Malaysia is just about to enforce minimum wage scheme sometime this year.

The most important part I think is about the Islamic awareness and practice by the locals. Islamic awareness has gained very significant development in the recent years. If anyone remembers, I posted about the cases of the missing Quranic verses from the mashafs that happened in various places in Malaysia in the 1980's and 1990's in this forum sometime last year. Just several years back you wouldn't find any radio or tv channels that are 100% dedicated to Islamic contents, but now there are a few of those.

it'll get better.

04-18-2012, 01:30 PM	#28
dodsCooggipsedebt Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 461 Senior Member	The same with Malaysia. As brother refai has mentioned most of the muslims are very lax and proper islam. There is also severe discrimination in Malaysia and is not just limited to saudi arabia. The hindu malaysians and chinese are ever increasing and it looks like one day non-muslims will rule the place. A sister who posts on this forum is from Malaysia. It is very hard to find a good job and inflation is very high. You will be working long hours and will get hardly any leave. The islam is some modernist islam some twisted ideology first initiated by mahatir and then consolidated by his successor. I'll just comment about Malaysia as I found that a few of your statements are incorrect. I don't think that Malaysia will lose power to the kuffar just yet. Don't know what excatly that means anyway. Would be beneficial if it can be explained further, . Malaysia is still a developing Islamic country with the idealogy wars are mainly fought between the nationalist group and Islamist group. Islamist group is led by the Malaysian Islamic Party (locally known as PAS). There are a few other branches but most of them are basically consolidated under PAS. 'Western cultures" are mostly very visible in big cities. But even then, Islam's influence is gaining traction. Historically, Islam has a much better atmosphere in Malaysia now than it was some 20 or more years ago. There are a few states, namely Kelantan, Kedah, Trengganu and to some extend certain parts of Johore and Pahang which are still practicing traditional Islam very seriously. These states are closely related to the Southern Thailand where a group of Muslims are waging jihad to reclaim the land of the Muslims there (most of the people from around the area are relatives by the way with the Muslims from the Southern Thailand). The states with large number of non-Muslims Chinese or Indians are basically incline more towards the nationalist group, basically to counter the Islamists influence. Discrimination is actually very rare. In the PAS led government (the states that I mentioned), discriminations played no rule as high posts are usually given to those who are Islamically sound background irrespective of race (you can find some Malaysians preachers who are giving da'wah irrespective of ethinicity on youtube. Actually a few of the more famous da'wah preachers are Chinese and Indians). As for the nationalists, cronyism issue still is a serious matter as they try to retain their influences. In most cases, I wouldn't term any ugly encounters as discriminations, it's more like the clash of cultures than anything else. This sometimes happens between the Malays, Chinese and Indians. Also between some foreigners and the locals, but mostly that happens because of cultural clash (like the foreigners organize some drinking party and cause some fights with the locals after that). The issue is usually contained almost immediately by the police. Almost every area in Malaysia at least has a two level crime prevention mechanism. Locals volunteer to patrol the area, and the patrolling police as the next level should any matter be escalated. Local sharia law is gradually implemented and expanded, with the jurisdiction will be expanded towards criminal cases hopefully in the future. Aside from what has been implemented, the technicality of the law and the process, (providing good defense lawyer who are well verse with the law, the trial documentation process, proper and thorough trials and so forth) are still being developed. These are mainly possible after technocrates who are well verse in the Islamic laws are graduated from the few Islamic universities around the country. Those universities were setup in the 80's (International Islamic University, Islamic Academy University of Malaya, etc), I guess, to realize the dream of having a full and complete shariah governance . Inflation is not as bad as some people say. I would say that inflation yearly is more or less around 5%. As per working long hours, a few laws are still in the amendment process. Malaysia is just about to enforce minimum wage scheme sometime this year. The most important part I think is about the Islamic awareness and practice by the locals. Islamic awareness has gained very significant development in the recent years. If anyone remembers, I posted about the cases of the missing Quranic verses from the mashafs that happened in various places in Malaysia in the 1980's and 1990's in this forum sometime last year. Just several years back you wouldn't find any radio or tv channels that are 100% dedicated to Islamic contents, but now there are a few of those. it'll get better.
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