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**Diortarkivoff** · 04-18-2012, 01:10 PM

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There is an utterly destructive FLAW in thinking among Muslims which is ZERO SUM.

First, when it comes to Muslim Dawa carriers, if he is not exactly like oneself in everything, including the length of his beard, then he is cast off. Salafi are renowned for this ZERO SUM intolerance such that many began destroying each other for the slightest miswording. in recent years, after years of 'eating the flesh of their brothers', many salafi brothers have broken off and no longer attack and attempt to destroy every Muslim who dares to stand up to kufr. However, there are still those who attack everyone regardless.

Second, after 9/11, Sunnis and Sufis hardened their own perception of Muslims especially "Wahhabis", adopting the ZERO SUM measure. Depending one's locality, anyone NOT of one's own order or of known Sunni scholars was a WAHHABI and therefore utterly reprehensible. All 'WAHHABIS' were condemned to be extremists and any persecution of them by kufar or regimes was seen as favorable (Naqshbandi leaders proudly conspired with Bush and Cheney against Muslims in America and elsewhere).

Third, among ahlil Sunnah, this ZERO SUM measurement was used largely on Muslims, but not Kufar, and not Muslim regimes. Almost everyday here in the GCC, I hear Muslims judging and condemning fellow Muslims for the slightest errors or failings, but defend kufar and their evils which they spread everywhere.

Most of my life as a Muslim, I have seen this among rival Muslim groups of all kinds: rival nationalities (Arab vs. Pakistani, Egyptian vs. Zalamat and Algerian, Salafi vs. all others, Sunni vs. "Wahhabi").

At some point, believers have to look at the GOOD of concepts and thoughts and set aside the error in character of fellow Muslims- as the Shakespearean reframe goes: "don't shoot the messenger".

As for Harun Yahya, he is in many ways a reflection of Turkish society itself.
There is good in what he does, but the failings and errors can be destructive.

But how many of you know what is going on in Turkey?
The vast majority of what Turkey propagates and produces in terms of culture and media, is utterly MUNKAR!!!
It's culture of mixing genders, of fahsha, of secularism (removing any Islam from daily life, except in a few rituals), of kufr economics and politics, is communicated around the Arab and neighboring countries 24/7. It is utterly disgusting.

And an increasing number of Arab Muslims are exposed to this Turkish filth (usually dubbed in arabic) on top of the filth produced in Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, and the Gulf.

In this context, Harun Yahya is an anomaly- a tiny beacon of light albeit flawed in a storm of darkness and contagion.

Believers have to stand for GOOD and stand against EVIL no matter who joins in either.
a Jew or even an atheist can call for GOOD and stand against EVIL. What is most important is making the concept clear.

And Allah knows best.

04-18-2012, 01:10 PM	#19
Diortarkivoff Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 347 Senior Member	:bismi: There is an utterly destructive FLAW in thinking among Muslims which is ZERO SUM. First, when it comes to Muslim Dawa carriers, if he is not exactly like oneself in everything, including the length of his beard, then he is cast off. Salafi are renowned for this ZERO SUM intolerance such that many began destroying each other for the slightest miswording. in recent years, after years of 'eating the flesh of their brothers', many salafi brothers have broken off and no longer attack and attempt to destroy every Muslim who dares to stand up to kufr. However, there are still those who attack everyone regardless. Second, after 9/11, Sunnis and Sufis hardened their own perception of Muslims especially "Wahhabis", adopting the ZERO SUM measure. Depending one's locality, anyone NOT of one's own order or of known Sunni scholars was a WAHHABI and therefore utterly reprehensible. All 'WAHHABIS' were condemned to be extremists and any persecution of them by kufar or regimes was seen as favorable (Naqshbandi leaders proudly conspired with Bush and Cheney against Muslims in America and elsewhere). Third, among ahlil Sunnah, this ZERO SUM measurement was used largely on Muslims, but not Kufar, and not Muslim regimes. Almost everyday here in the GCC, I hear Muslims judging and condemning fellow Muslims for the slightest errors or failings, but defend kufar and their evils which they spread everywhere. Most of my life as a Muslim, I have seen this among rival Muslim groups of all kinds: rival nationalities (Arab vs. Pakistani, Egyptian vs. Zalamat and Algerian, Salafi vs. all others, Sunni vs. "Wahhabi"). At some point, believers have to look at the GOOD of concepts and thoughts and set aside the error in character of fellow Muslims- as the Shakespearean reframe goes: "don't shoot the messenger". As for Harun Yahya, he is in many ways a reflection of Turkish society itself. There is good in what he does, but the failings and errors can be destructive. But how many of you know what is going on in Turkey? The vast majority of what Turkey propagates and produces in terms of culture and media, is utterly MUNKAR!!! It's culture of mixing genders, of fahsha, of secularism (removing any Islam from daily life, except in a few rituals), of kufr economics and politics, is communicated around the Arab and neighboring countries 24/7. It is utterly disgusting. And an increasing number of Arab Muslims are exposed to this Turkish filth (usually dubbed in arabic) on top of the filth produced in Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, and the Gulf. In this context, Harun Yahya is an anomaly- a tiny beacon of light albeit flawed in a storm of darkness and contagion. Believers have to stand for GOOD and stand against EVIL no matter who joins in either. a Jew or even an atheist can call for GOOD and stand against EVIL. What is most important is making the concept clear. And Allah knows best.
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