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**Intory** · 07-22-2011, 03:18 AM

There are people who have called it shirk, but I dont see how it can be considered a tawheed vs. shirk issue. Many senior scholars have called it bid'ah or impermissable but I have yet to come across any senior scholar say it is shirk.

See this other thread:
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...ke-dua-for-you

Sh. ibn Uthaymeen and Sh. Bakr Abu Zayd considered it bid'ah.

And amongst the Deobandis there seem to be different views.

Mufti Taqi Usmani and Ml. Ashraf Ali Thanvi say it is not permissable to ask the dead for du'a.

Ml. Yusuf Ludhianvi and Ml. Rashid Ahmed Gangohi also say it is not permissable but the Prophets are an exception to this. So they state it is permissable to request the Prophets for du'a.

pls provide the link for shaikh ibn uthaymeens fatwa bro. As far as i know, asking dead for help is shirk, asking dead to make dua is shirk, asking the prophet is shirk, asking the prophet to make dua is shirk, the only disagreed upon thing, is if u go to the prophets grave and ask his intercession.

Firstly we should define shirk. Shirk means to give the right of allah to other than allah.

If u believe a person can bring you benefit e.g. A child etc, this is shirk as allah grants children, jannah, wealth etc.

If u believe a person can hear your dua anywhere in the world, u give him an attribute of allah as all hearing.

The scholars disagree whether going to the grave of the prophet and loudly saying o muhammad make dua that allah grants me such and such is shirk or bid'ah. The ones who say its bid'ah also consider it shirk al asghar (minor shirk) and the reason they say its not major shirk is because u havent given a right of allah to other than allah but uve innovated by doing this way due to some believing the prophet is physically alive in his grave. So the only thing that we dont consider clear cut shirk akbar is the last one.

You will learn all about these things in shaikh muhammad ibn abdul wahhabs books, very important to understand tawheed and shirk, its your jannah and naar

07-22-2011, 03:18 AM	#30
Intory Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 457 Senior Member	There are people who have called it shirk, but I dont see how it can be considered a tawheed vs. shirk issue. Many senior scholars have called it bid'ah or impermissable but I have yet to come across any senior scholar say it is shirk. See this other thread: http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...ke-dua-for-you Sh. ibn Uthaymeen and Sh. Bakr Abu Zayd considered it bid'ah. And amongst the Deobandis there seem to be different views. Mufti Taqi Usmani and Ml. Ashraf Ali Thanvi say it is not permissable to ask the dead for du'a. Ml. Yusuf Ludhianvi and Ml. Rashid Ahmed Gangohi also say it is not permissable but the Prophets are an exception to this. So they state it is permissable to request the Prophets for du'a. pls provide the link for shaikh ibn uthaymeens fatwa bro. As far as i know, asking dead for help is shirk, asking dead to make dua is shirk, asking the prophet is shirk, asking the prophet to make dua is shirk, the only disagreed upon thing, is if u go to the prophets grave and ask his intercession. Firstly we should define shirk. Shirk means to give the right of allah to other than allah. If u believe a person can bring you benefit e.g. A child etc, this is shirk as allah grants children, jannah, wealth etc. If u believe a person can hear your dua anywhere in the world, u give him an attribute of allah as all hearing. The scholars disagree whether going to the grave of the prophet and loudly saying o muhammad make dua that allah grants me such and such is shirk or bid'ah. The ones who say its bid'ah also consider it shirk al asghar (minor shirk) and the reason they say its not major shirk is because u havent given a right of allah to other than allah but uve innovated by doing this way due to some believing the prophet is physically alive in his grave. So the only thing that we dont consider clear cut shirk akbar is the last one. You will learn all about these things in shaikh muhammad ibn abdul wahhabs books, very important to understand tawheed and shirk, its your jannah and naar
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