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**Intory** · 07-22-2011, 03:52 AM

Dawud,
Shirk is clear.
http://www.deoband.org/2010/09/aqida...and-its-types/

I think there is a clear disagreement between the Shaikh Abdul Wahabs view and the other scholar view. It seems you hold Shaikh Abdul Wahabs view to be 100% correct. Both sets of scholar scholasitc reasononing for their view and as such this should be expected. If you prefer the former view it is fine but to label others of commiting shirk when you are not even a scholar is insulting and one can feel sense takiri tendency.
I am not the type to lable people and is not bold enough to accuse other of being guilty. Hence although I agree with many of shaikh's view but am not fully supportive of it. What I find amazing many of such books were written as a reaction to something. This seems to escape the mind of modern readers. If I see madhabist tendency that is verging on secterianism, scholar though follow a madhab will take opposition to this secterian view and will write article. Now someone reading this book after many years later will assume these scholar are anti madhab. This has happend in the past
Allahualam

firstly, i read the article and didnt see anything in there contradicting shaikh muhammad ibn abdul wahhabs works, in fact i believe this article was based on his works and allah knows best.

Secondly, if you want to call people away from shirk you need detailed evidences and his books has all the evidences you need to call muslims away from shirk, thats why its important for us to study, so we can stay away from shirk and call others away from it. Did you know that saying 'i swear on my mums life' is shirk and also crossing your fingers for good luck is shirk? Many other british supersticions like not walking under ladders is shirk. in pakistan you have fortune tellers, this is shirk. If you ever read your star sign, if u didnt believe in it, your salaah is rejected for 40 days and if you did believe in it your a kafir. Its a serious issue.

This has nothing to do with different oppinions. Going to graves to ask the inhabbitant for aid is shirk and unnacceptable and the worst kind of sin that renders your islam invalid, so its a serious thing what many muslims are doing and i never called anyone here a kafir or mushrik so please explain what you meant.

Also, you keep saying what you agree and dont agree with from the shaikh, have you ever read any of his books? When commenting on him, please provide the statements of his that your referring to. Jazak allahu khair

07-22-2011, 03:52 AM	#32
Intory Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 457 Senior Member	Dawud, Shirk is clear. http://www.deoband.org/2010/09/aqida...and-its-types/ I think there is a clear disagreement between the Shaikh Abdul Wahabs view and the other scholar view. It seems you hold Shaikh Abdul Wahabs view to be 100% correct. Both sets of scholar scholasitc reasononing for their view and as such this should be expected. If you prefer the former view it is fine but to label others of commiting shirk when you are not even a scholar is insulting and one can feel sense takiri tendency. I am not the type to lable people and is not bold enough to accuse other of being guilty. Hence although I agree with many of shaikh's view but am not fully supportive of it. What I find amazing many of such books were written as a reaction to something. This seems to escape the mind of modern readers. If I see madhabist tendency that is verging on secterianism, scholar though follow a madhab will take opposition to this secterian view and will write article. Now someone reading this book after many years later will assume these scholar are anti madhab. This has happend in the past Allahualam firstly, i read the article and didnt see anything in there contradicting shaikh muhammad ibn abdul wahhabs works, in fact i believe this article was based on his works and allah knows best. Secondly, if you want to call people away from shirk you need detailed evidences and his books has all the evidences you need to call muslims away from shirk, thats why its important for us to study, so we can stay away from shirk and call others away from it. Did you know that saying 'i swear on my mums life' is shirk and also crossing your fingers for good luck is shirk? Many other british supersticions like not walking under ladders is shirk. in pakistan you have fortune tellers, this is shirk. If you ever read your star sign, if u didnt believe in it, your salaah is rejected for 40 days and if you did believe in it your a kafir. Its a serious issue. This has nothing to do with different oppinions. Going to graves to ask the inhabbitant for aid is shirk and unnacceptable and the worst kind of sin that renders your islam invalid, so its a serious thing what many muslims are doing and i never called anyone here a kafir or mushrik so please explain what you meant. Also, you keep saying what you agree and dont agree with from the shaikh, have you ever read any of his books? When commenting on him, please provide the statements of his that your referring to. Jazak allahu khair
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