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**Gozmand** · 04-14-2012, 10:01 PM

wow....so we're supposed be grateful that some Christian mal'oon considered the Prophet and Ali to be heretics and not infidels.

No. The point is that Dante is considered an influential voice of the time. His work is used to reflect on general trends in Christian society. He copied the prophet's

night journey story. One of the most influential Christian personalities was little more than a plagiarizer (and felt guilty enough to not damn Muslims as disbelievers). This shows the enormity of Islam's impact on Christian/Western civilization which is a running theme in all of SHY's talks (and a very potent message when talking to Westerners who are ignorant of Islam). The context of these discussions is commentary on ills in Western society (regarding money lending and pornography).

I don't get the judgmental attitude towards SHY here. This man's converted more people to orthodox Islam than almost anyone posting here will in their lifetimes. It was through him that Allah awakened my own moral conscience and interest in deen. If it wasn't for him I wouldn't even have been a Deobandi (maybe a Salafi instead if I found some other road to the deen in the West where I grew up).

Regarding that blog's name: Yes, please save the orthodoxy from the man who's driven more people to the orthodoxy and away from the ghayr muqallideen in one of the hearts of ghayr muqallideen society! (Western Muslims are influenced by a lot of Gulf Arab money).

At the very least you could ask him to clarify his remarks... which is how any scholar (in fact, any Muslim) should be treated.

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Gozmand Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 408 Senior Member	wow....so we're supposed be grateful that some Christian mal'oon considered the Prophet and Ali to be heretics and not infidels. No. The point is that Dante is considered an influential voice of the time. His work is used to reflect on general trends in Christian society. He copied the prophet's night journey story. One of the most influential Christian personalities was little more than a plagiarizer (and felt guilty enough to not damn Muslims as disbelievers). This shows the enormity of Islam's impact on Christian/Western civilization which is a running theme in all of SHY's talks (and a very potent message when talking to Westerners who are ignorant of Islam). The context of these discussions is commentary on ills in Western society (regarding money lending and pornography). I don't get the judgmental attitude towards SHY here. This man's converted more people to orthodox Islam than almost anyone posting here will in their lifetimes. It was through him that Allah awakened my own moral conscience and interest in deen. If it wasn't for him I wouldn't even have been a Deobandi (maybe a Salafi instead if I found some other road to the deen in the West where I grew up). Regarding that blog's name: Yes, please save the orthodoxy from the man who's driven more people to the orthodoxy and away from the ghayr muqallideen in one of the hearts of ghayr muqallideen society! (Western Muslims are influenced by a lot of Gulf Arab money). At the very least you could ask him to clarify his remarks... which is how any scholar (in fact, any Muslim) should be treated.
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