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**ancexttew** · 04-05-2012, 07:10 AM

If the conclusion of the SF community opposes that of the Sahabah and classical scholars of Islam (radhiyallahu 'anhum), then I will remain on the opinion of the 'Ulama.

No one cares about "the conclusion of the SF community". What matters is what the ulama have to say and many ulama have spoken against istighatha and many ahadeeth have been used to argue against istighatha - and all the various discussions on this issue have referred to traditional ulama belonging to the four madhahib. So, you saying that you will "remain on the opinion of the 'Ulama" requires further elaboration, since many traditional ulama of the four madhahib have spoken out against istighatha.

Furthermore, Mullah Ali Qari

has also said, "And one should, in all of one's issues rely on Him i.e. not ask anyone apart from Him because those apart from Him are not able to give or prevent, remove harm, attract benefit, for indeed they do not possess the ability to give death or life and nor resurrection."

I'll end this discussion since it is off-topic and instead direct you to read the following: http://www.deoband.org/2009/02/aqida...efs/istigatha/

04-05-2012, 07:10 AM	#26
ancexttew Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 468 Senior Member	If the conclusion of the SF community opposes that of the Sahabah and classical scholars of Islam (radhiyallahu 'anhum), then I will remain on the opinion of the 'Ulama. No one cares about "the conclusion of the SF community". What matters is what the ulama have to say and many ulama have spoken against istighatha and many ahadeeth have been used to argue against istighatha - and all the various discussions on this issue have referred to traditional ulama belonging to the four madhahib. So, you saying that you will "remain on the opinion of the 'Ulama" requires further elaboration, since many traditional ulama of the four madhahib have spoken out against istighatha. Furthermore, Mullah Ali Qari has also said, "And one should, in all of one's issues rely on Him i.e. not ask anyone apart from Him because those apart from Him are not able to give or prevent, remove harm, attract benefit, for indeed they do not possess the ability to give death or life and nor resurrection." I'll end this discussion since it is off-topic and instead direct you to read the following: http://www.deoband.org/2009/02/aqida...efs/istigatha/
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