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**feroiodpiop** · 04-05-2012, 11:17 PM

- The hadith has different riwayat, some with "Muhammad" and some with "Ya Muhammad."

The copies of al Adab al Mufrad which omit the word "Ya" in this Riwayah are a fabrication because there is a manuscript of the original book present in Jami'ah al Azhar and in that copy it contains the word "Ya". Here is a scan of the manuscript:

original manuscript kalmi nuskha of al-adab al-mufrad by imam bukhari from jamiyah al-azhar misr.jpg

o ya muhammad.jpg

- You will not find any scholar from the time of the salaf that permitted calling out to prophets and awliyah for help directly, especially not for curing an illness. As for tawassul, that is a different issue.

I would rather trust Sheikhul Islam Taqiud Deen as Subki (radhiyallahu 'anh) than you. He writes in a whole chapter dedicated to the permissibility of Tawassul and Istighatha:

اعلم انه يجوز و يحسن التوسل و الاستغاثة و التشفع بالنبي صلى الله عليه و سلم إلى ربه سبحانه و تعالى و جواز ذلك و حسنه من الأمور المعلومة لكل ذي دين المعروفة من فعل الأنبياء و المرسلين و سير السلف الصالحين و العلماء و العوام من المسلمين و لم ينكر أحد ذلك من أهل الأديان و لا سمع به في زمن الأزمان حتى جاء ابن تيمية فتكلم في ذلك بكلام يلبس فيه على الضعفاء الأغمار و ابتدع ما لم يسبق اليه في سائر الأصار و لهذا طعن في الحكاية التي تقدم ذكرها عن مالك رحمه الله تعالى فإن فيها قول مالك رحمه الله تعالى للمنصور: استشفع به

"It should be known that Tawassul, Istigatha and Shafa'ah through the Prophet (peace be upon him) in the court of Allah is not only allowed but is recommended. It being Legal and recommended is a known fact for everyone who has understanding of deen, this is a deed of Prophets/Messengers, the Salaf-as-Saliheen, the Ulama and general public of Muslims, none of them denied it nor in any time these deeds were called as bad except for when Ibn Taymiyyah came and he started to reject them, his sayings made the weak get into confusion/dilemma, he did such a Bid'ah which nobody before him had done..." [Shifa us Siqaam fi Ziyaratal Khayr al Anaam, Chapter 8, Page No. 357]

04-05-2012, 11:17 PM	#30
feroiodpiop Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 479 Senior Member	- The hadith has different riwayat, some with "Muhammad" and some with "Ya Muhammad." The copies of al Adab al Mufrad which omit the word "Ya" in this Riwayah are a fabrication because there is a manuscript of the original book present in Jami'ah al Azhar and in that copy it contains the word "Ya". Here is a scan of the manuscript: original manuscript kalmi nuskha of al-adab al-mufrad by imam bukhari from jamiyah al-azhar misr.jpg o ya muhammad.jpg - You will not find any scholar from the time of the salaf that permitted calling out to prophets and awliyah for help directly, especially not for curing an illness. As for tawassul, that is a different issue. I would rather trust Sheikhul Islam Taqiud Deen as Subki (radhiyallahu 'anh) than you. He writes in a whole chapter dedicated to the permissibility of Tawassul and Istighatha: اعلم انه يجوز و يحسن التوسل و الاستغاثة و التشفع بالنبي صلى الله عليه و سلم إلى ربه سبحانه و تعالى و جواز ذلك و حسنه من الأمور المعلومة لكل ذي دين المعروفة من فعل الأنبياء و المرسلين و سير السلف الصالحين و العلماء و العوام من المسلمين و لم ينكر أحد ذلك من أهل الأديان و لا سمع به في زمن الأزمان حتى جاء ابن تيمية فتكلم في ذلك بكلام يلبس فيه على الضعفاء الأغمار و ابتدع ما لم يسبق اليه في سائر الأصار و لهذا طعن في الحكاية التي تقدم ذكرها عن مالك رحمه الله تعالى فإن فيها قول مالك رحمه الله تعالى للمنصور: استشفع به "It should be known that Tawassul, Istigatha and Shafa'ah through the Prophet (peace be upon him) in the court of Allah is not only allowed but is recommended. It being Legal and recommended is a known fact for everyone who has understanding of deen, this is a deed of Prophets/Messengers, the Salaf-as-Saliheen, the Ulama and general public of Muslims, none of them denied it nor in any time these deeds were called as bad except for when Ibn Taymiyyah came and he started to reject them, his sayings made the weak get into confusion/dilemma, he did such a Bid'ah which nobody before him had done..." [Shifa us Siqaam fi Ziyaratal Khayr al Anaam, Chapter 8, Page No. 357]
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