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**Eh085zE7** · 03-30-2012, 07:16 PM

Wa iyyakum sidi.

Outside of the Indian subcontinent and its' offspring, many, if not most ´ulama and shuyukh lack fist length beards. That's a fact. Yes, according to the majority of classical scholars, and the so called relied-upon opinions, this sunnah is not properly fulfilled without it... unless of course, one cannot grow it. This makes many of the brothers from the Indian subcontinent look down on most Shuyukh who are not Indo-Pak. However, they do this while completely denying and ignoring some of the shortcomings and sins of their own shuyukh, often due to their own culture and surroundings. An example being some of the Deobandi shuyukh who basically allow the cast system to live on by disguising it in the garb of the Hanafi madhhab.

And there are other issues. I do not want to mention names, but allow me to demonstrate by using a very famous example: Let us take someone like the honorable shaykh Taqi Uthmani, may Allah preserve him. He is seen as a spiritual master by many on this website and elsewhere, yet he is a banker; and to many, a legalizer of Rib´a (!!!). From that point of view, how can he be a spiritual master? Now many will start to wave the flag of ikhtilaf in regards to the so called "Islamic" banking. But the fact remains, many do not believe that it is an ikhtilaf issue, but rather that it is clear cut haram, bid´ah and falsification of the Deen. However, if they were to propogate that view on this forum, they run the risk of being abused and banned.

wassalam

Brother Rifa'i, surely you see a world of difference between Ijtihadi issues such as Islamic finance (which Mufti Taqi does not avail himself of), Organ transplants, Photography, etc. and a confimed Sunnah of the Prophet (Allah bless him and grant him peace) which the vast majority of fuqaha have regarded as obligatory, and for which seriously regimental hard work is required to avoid practising?

Would you really hold no reservations in your heart in regarding as "spiritual masters", clean-shaven scholars, who eat with their left hand, miss their Eid and Witr Salat regularly, initiate greetings to Muslims with "Hello" rather than Salaam, and other acts that are in clear contravention of the Sunnah of the blessed Prophet (Allah bless him and grant him peace)?

We are fast approaching that time when such scholars will be in abundance.

Even if you feel that you would remain completely unconcerned by such scholars holding the station of "spiritual masters", please assume at least that the brothers who would hold strong reservations, would do so on account of their love and lament for the Sunnahs of the Prophet (Allah bless him and grant him peace), and their concern for the state of the Ummah, rather than due to pride.

03-30-2012, 07:16 PM	#11
Eh085zE7 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 416 Senior Member	Wa iyyakum sidi. Outside of the Indian subcontinent and its' offspring, many, if not most ´ulama and shuyukh lack fist length beards. That's a fact. Yes, according to the majority of classical scholars, and the so called relied-upon opinions, this sunnah is not properly fulfilled without it... unless of course, one cannot grow it. This makes many of the brothers from the Indian subcontinent look down on most Shuyukh who are not Indo-Pak. However, they do this while completely denying and ignoring some of the shortcomings and sins of their own shuyukh, often due to their own culture and surroundings. An example being some of the Deobandi shuyukh who basically allow the cast system to live on by disguising it in the garb of the Hanafi madhhab. And there are other issues. I do not want to mention names, but allow me to demonstrate by using a very famous example: Let us take someone like the honorable shaykh Taqi Uthmani, may Allah preserve him. He is seen as a spiritual master by many on this website and elsewhere, yet he is a banker; and to many, a legalizer of Rib´a (!!!). From that point of view, how can he be a spiritual master? Now many will start to wave the flag of ikhtilaf in regards to the so called "Islamic" banking. But the fact remains, many do not believe that it is an ikhtilaf issue, but rather that it is clear cut haram, bid´ah and falsification of the Deen. However, if they were to propogate that view on this forum, they run the risk of being abused and banned. wassalam Brother Rifa'i, surely you see a world of difference between Ijtihadi issues such as Islamic finance (which Mufti Taqi does not avail himself of), Organ transplants, Photography, etc. and a confimed Sunnah of the Prophet (Allah bless him and grant him peace) which the vast majority of fuqaha have regarded as obligatory, and for which seriously regimental hard work is required to avoid practising? Would you really hold no reservations in your heart in regarding as "spiritual masters", clean-shaven scholars, who eat with their left hand, miss their Eid and Witr Salat regularly, initiate greetings to Muslims with "Hello" rather than Salaam, and other acts that are in clear contravention of the Sunnah of the blessed Prophet (Allah bless him and grant him peace)? We are fast approaching that time when such scholars will be in abundance. Even if you feel that you would remain completely unconcerned by such scholars holding the station of "spiritual masters", please assume at least that the brothers who would hold strong reservations, would do so on account of their love and lament for the Sunnahs of the Prophet (Allah bless him and grant him peace), and their concern for the state of the Ummah, rather than due to pride.
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