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**km2000** · 04-04-2012, 05:52 AM

Not to disrespect anybody, but isn't making a conscious decision to disobey the command of the Prophet indicative of an internal, hidden problem? (not just with regard to the beard, but when for example people say "so and so doesn't pray, but he has a good heart"...he may be a nice person but there is one aspect in which his heart is defective).

How is keeping a short beard disobeying the command of the Prophet salallahu alaihi wa salim? The brother Rifai is trying to point out that there is fiqhi ikhtilaaf among the ulama as to what constitues having a shari beard. Some ulama said not to trim it at all and to leave it, other ulama said to leave grow without trimming it was makruh, some ulama said that the beard could be trimmed to a fist length, some said it should be trimmed to a fist length, some said the fist starts under the chin, some said the fist includes the chin, there are even various definitions as to what facial hair is considered the lihya, etc. This is not just a simple issue as everyone always tries to make everything in the deen, ulama have discussed this and various ulama should be consulted as to what their proofs are. Why not contact Shaikh Babikr rather than discuss him behind his back?

Also I really hope all the people criticizing the esteemed Shaikh's beard all have beards and full length ones at that, otherwise, they would be really shameless.

04-04-2012, 05:52 AM	#19
km2000 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 419 Senior Member	Not to disrespect anybody, but isn't making a conscious decision to disobey the command of the Prophet indicative of an internal, hidden problem? (not just with regard to the beard, but when for example people say "so and so doesn't pray, but he has a good heart"...he may be a nice person but there is one aspect in which his heart is defective). How is keeping a short beard disobeying the command of the Prophet salallahu alaihi wa salim? The brother Rifai is trying to point out that there is fiqhi ikhtilaaf among the ulama as to what constitues having a shari beard. Some ulama said not to trim it at all and to leave it, other ulama said to leave grow without trimming it was makruh, some ulama said that the beard could be trimmed to a fist length, some said it should be trimmed to a fist length, some said the fist starts under the chin, some said the fist includes the chin, there are even various definitions as to what facial hair is considered the lihya, etc. This is not just a simple issue as everyone always tries to make everything in the deen, ulama have discussed this and various ulama should be consulted as to what their proofs are. Why not contact Shaikh Babikr rather than discuss him behind his back? Also I really hope all the people criticizing the esteemed Shaikh's beard all have beards and full length ones at that, otherwise, they would be really shameless.
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