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**hasasnn2345tv** · 04-04-2012, 11:08 AM

I have just read the thread from the start to see how the discussion started. Please verify the following claim regarding this scholar:

for the video

I'm not happy with the title "spiritual master" though. A person who trims his beard, is not comfortable with full segregation and thinks music is permissible - is he really a "spiritual master"?

I have to agree with brother Rahmaniyyah if all these claims are true. It may be easy for some to overlook the lack of a few obvious sunnahs but I would not be comfortable at all with someone who does what is claimed in the above quote being referred to as a "spiritual master", let alone a sufi.

If someone calls a shaykh who fulfills the dhahiri sunnahs as "some random uncle", then that is ignorance - but we know that there are confirmed sunnahs that should be put into practice by anyone who is claimed to be a spiritual guide to others. The image of how someone is supposed to look and talk like should be in closest accordance with what Rasoolullah

looked like and talked like. If a person who claims to be a shaykh only talks about hatred and divisions, speaks lies and deceptions, then of course he is a person who should not be looked at seriously, but then many of us have no reservations when a person does things that are contrary to the external sunnah. Why this double standard? I'm reminded of a famous hadeeth:

عن أبي هريرة رضي الله عنه، قال: قال رسول الله : { إن الله تعالى طيب لا يقبل إلا طيباً، وإن الله أمر المؤمنين بما أمر به المرسلين فقال تعالى: يَا أَيُّهَا الرُّسُلُ كُلُوا مِنَ الطَّيِّبَاتِ وَاعْمَلُوا صَالِحاً [المؤمنون:51]، وقال تعالى: يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ كُلُواْ مِن طَيِّبَاتِ مَا رَزَقْنَاكُمْ [البقرة:172]، ثم ذكر الرجل يطيل السفر أشعث أغبر يمد يده إلى السماء: يا رب ! يا رب ! ومطعمه حرام ومشربه حرام وملبسه حرام وغذي بالحرام فأنّى يستجاب له؟ }.

In this hadeeth, there is no mention of the person's inner state. So, even though we know the importance of the purifying one's inner state, we cannot do so at the expense of our outward state, whether it be in our rizq, our dress, our demeanor.

04-04-2012, 11:08 AM	#26
hasasnn2345tv Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 501 Senior Member	I have just read the thread from the start to see how the discussion started. Please verify the following claim regarding this scholar: for the video I'm not happy with the title "spiritual master" though. A person who trims his beard, is not comfortable with full segregation and thinks music is permissible - is he really a "spiritual master"? I have to agree with brother Rahmaniyyah if all these claims are true. It may be easy for some to overlook the lack of a few obvious sunnahs but I would not be comfortable at all with someone who does what is claimed in the above quote being referred to as a "spiritual master", let alone a sufi. If someone calls a shaykh who fulfills the dhahiri sunnahs as "some random uncle", then that is ignorance - but we know that there are confirmed sunnahs that should be put into practice by anyone who is claimed to be a spiritual guide to others. The image of how someone is supposed to look and talk like should be in closest accordance with what Rasoolullah looked like and talked like. If a person who claims to be a shaykh only talks about hatred and divisions, speaks lies and deceptions, then of course he is a person who should not be looked at seriously, but then many of us have no reservations when a person does things that are contrary to the external sunnah. Why this double standard? I'm reminded of a famous hadeeth: عن أبي هريرة رضي الله عنه، قال: قال رسول الله : { إن الله تعالى طيب لا يقبل إلا طيباً، وإن الله أمر المؤمنين بما أمر به المرسلين فقال تعالى: يَا أَيُّهَا الرُّسُلُ كُلُوا مِنَ الطَّيِّبَاتِ وَاعْمَلُوا صَالِحاً [المؤمنون:51]، وقال تعالى: يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ كُلُواْ مِن طَيِّبَاتِ مَا رَزَقْنَاكُمْ [البقرة:172]، ثم ذكر الرجل يطيل السفر أشعث أغبر يمد يده إلى السماء: يا رب ! يا رب ! ومطعمه حرام ومشربه حرام وملبسه حرام وغذي بالحرام فأنّى يستجاب له؟ }. In this hadeeth, there is no mention of the person's inner state. So, even though we know the importance of the purifying one's inner state, we cannot do so at the expense of our outward state, whether it be in our rizq, our dress, our demeanor.
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