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**km2000** · 04-04-2012, 05:57 PM

My beloved brothers,
Please do not let the discussion get too heated where we call each other "Jahil" and what not.

Salaam alaikum Sidi Rifai,

You are right and I should not say that, but I can't stand how people act when they don't have any authority to speak. It disgusts me, especially when these people want to connect themselves to the akabir ulama of Deoband. Its lke they have no clue whatsoever as to adab. For example, I read in Shaikh Masihullah Khan (rah) discourses For Friends, where he mentioned that once Shaikh Rashid Ahmad Gangohi (rah) once said in a dars that musical instruments was haram, and then someone asked what he thought of Shaikh Nizamuddeen (rah), one of the very early shuyookh of the Chisti Tariqa, as having listened to musical instruments during sama'a. You know what the response was from the esteemed Shaikh and Faqih, our Master Rashid Ahmad Gangohi? He did not say, this is a false narration, he did not say that Shaikh Nizamuddeen had been wrong, etc. He said that the Shaikh (Nizamuddeen) must have been acting upon an opinion or proof that he was unaware of. AMAZING, that even such a great scholar, one of the shining lights of this ummah, would be so humble and cautious when it comes to saying something about someone else. I personally believe there are very very few ulama today that would match Shaikh Rashid Ahmad Gangohi in knowledge, and yet, while he was so cautious and respectful of the possibility of there being a proof he was unaware of and leaving it at that, the people (who admit they are not scholars and even say they are jaahil) fearlessly discuss an individual's maqam and whether or not he is engaged in doubtful or even sinnful matters. The saying "fools rush in where angels fear to tread" paints the perfect picture. It is sad we don't have anything but the appearence of the previous generations, and we think we have reached the destination, or atleast we act like it.

04-04-2012, 05:57 PM	#29
km2000 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 419 Senior Member	My beloved brothers, Please do not let the discussion get too heated where we call each other "Jahil" and what not. Salaam alaikum Sidi Rifai, You are right and I should not say that, but I can't stand how people act when they don't have any authority to speak. It disgusts me, especially when these people want to connect themselves to the akabir ulama of Deoband. Its lke they have no clue whatsoever as to adab. For example, I read in Shaikh Masihullah Khan (rah) discourses For Friends, where he mentioned that once Shaikh Rashid Ahmad Gangohi (rah) once said in a dars that musical instruments was haram, and then someone asked what he thought of Shaikh Nizamuddeen (rah), one of the very early shuyookh of the Chisti Tariqa, as having listened to musical instruments during sama'a. You know what the response was from the esteemed Shaikh and Faqih, our Master Rashid Ahmad Gangohi? He did not say, this is a false narration, he did not say that Shaikh Nizamuddeen had been wrong, etc. He said that the Shaikh (Nizamuddeen) must have been acting upon an opinion or proof that he was unaware of. AMAZING, that even such a great scholar, one of the shining lights of this ummah, would be so humble and cautious when it comes to saying something about someone else. I personally believe there are very very few ulama today that would match Shaikh Rashid Ahmad Gangohi in knowledge, and yet, while he was so cautious and respectful of the possibility of there being a proof he was unaware of and leaving it at that, the people (who admit they are not scholars and even say they are jaahil) fearlessly discuss an individual's maqam and whether or not he is engaged in doubtful or even sinnful matters. The saying "fools rush in where angels fear to tread" paints the perfect picture. It is sad we don't have anything but the appearence of the previous generations, and we think we have reached the destination, or atleast we act like it.
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