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**ggdfgtdfffhfyj** · 04-08-2012, 06:45 PM

is that section a majority or a minority?also are they from the same geographic location or another?
you make a very big generalization. and that too on a thread where people are sympathetic towards the muslim sister unjustly killed. it is precisely this attitude of modernists (im not calling you one) who use this very stance everywhere. an example:
" so what if the Qur'an was burnt?Muslims in pakistan burnt the Bible didnt they?"
now compare this to:
"what if she was killed?it is sad but what about all the ahmedis killed at the hands of muslim zealots?why dont they come out to show solidarity with them?this basically shows how educated modern people understand religion better than these bloody mullahs. proof: we stand for the rights for ahmedis. you dont"

Doesn't matter. Modernists use it because the authoritative ones have abondoned it. The weakest level of imaan is the disgust in the heart and many of the Muslims are in this level which shows their level of imaan is at the weakest level. As for those who just flip through such issues without any remorse, then the emptiness of their level of imaan only God's knows.

If a muslim requires non-muslim sympathy yet at the same time the muslim is not willing to show sympathy when a non-Muslim is unjustly killed, then the muslim in question should be ashamed of himself and stop looking for non-muslim sympathy.

from the surface this is a very good argument. but what it basically does is that it bases Islam on the action of a few people. i.e just because a muslim did this and a section (they never state how big is that section) does not condemn it then they think it is legislated in Islam to unjustly kill a non-muslim and then if anybody stands up against this he should be labelled stooges of kuffar.
what a ridiculous analogy. Not a analogy. Its a ground reality.

when this happens these people immediately turn to their 'reference': the western values (in contrast to how bro. Kuffs referred to Qur'an and sunnah) to see what is the right action. naturally this draws them further from Islam.

so im sorry but your statement is very general and implicates more people than it should. many many uneducated modern people would not understand this statement and would do exactly as i said in above para. if it is possible give a link of an incident where this act happened and we can all condemn it not sweeping statements such as your last post. it gives Islam a bad name. And this is one of the reasons people have abondoned speaking out against just cause. Reactionery colonised minds. So just because speaking out for justice is also a principle held high in western values, self labelled defenders of islam quickly react against it as though its a foreign concept being imported into Islam, or show some other kind of fear and probably even shamefulness to admit wrong. I don't know where this notion of treating kuffar values to such level of obsessiveness come from. Its obviously a fear though. And this fear is a result of lack of self confidence upon his own values. Perhaps the abdonment of the rational theological tradition by certain protestant reformist movements have something to contribute to the fear.

04-08-2012, 06:45 PM	#10
ggdfgtdfffhfyj Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 501 Senior Member	is that section a majority or a minority?also are they from the same geographic location or another? you make a very big generalization. and that too on a thread where people are sympathetic towards the muslim sister unjustly killed. it is precisely this attitude of modernists (im not calling you one) who use this very stance everywhere. an example: " so what if the Qur'an was burnt?Muslims in pakistan burnt the Bible didnt they?" now compare this to: "what if she was killed?it is sad but what about all the ahmedis killed at the hands of muslim zealots?why dont they come out to show solidarity with them?this basically shows how educated modern people understand religion better than these bloody mullahs. proof: we stand for the rights for ahmedis. you dont" Doesn't matter. Modernists use it because the authoritative ones have abondoned it. The weakest level of imaan is the disgust in the heart and many of the Muslims are in this level which shows their level of imaan is at the weakest level. As for those who just flip through such issues without any remorse, then the emptiness of their level of imaan only God's knows. If a muslim requires non-muslim sympathy yet at the same time the muslim is not willing to show sympathy when a non-Muslim is unjustly killed, then the muslim in question should be ashamed of himself and stop looking for non-muslim sympathy. from the surface this is a very good argument. but what it basically does is that it bases Islam on the action of a few people. i.e just because a muslim did this and a section (they never state how big is that section) does not condemn it then they think it is legislated in Islam to unjustly kill a non-muslim and then if anybody stands up against this he should be labelled stooges of kuffar. what a ridiculous analogy. Not a analogy. Its a ground reality. when this happens these people immediately turn to their 'reference': the western values (in contrast to how bro. Kuffs referred to Qur'an and sunnah) to see what is the right action. naturally this draws them further from Islam. so im sorry but your statement is very general and implicates more people than it should. many many uneducated modern people would not understand this statement and would do exactly as i said in above para. if it is possible give a link of an incident where this act happened and we can all condemn it not sweeping statements such as your last post. it gives Islam a bad name. And this is one of the reasons people have abondoned speaking out against just cause. Reactionery colonised minds. So just because speaking out for justice is also a principle held high in western values, self labelled defenders of islam quickly react against it as though its a foreign concept being imported into Islam, or show some other kind of fear and probably even shamefulness to admit wrong. I don't know where this notion of treating kuffar values to such level of obsessiveness come from. Its obviously a fear though. And this fear is a result of lack of self confidence upon his own values. Perhaps the abdonment of the rational theological tradition by certain protestant reformist movements have something to contribute to the fear.
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