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**hhynmtrxcp** · 04-08-2012, 07:06 PM

Doesn't matter. Modernists use it because the authoritative ones have abondoned it. The weakest level of imaan is the disgust in the heart and many of the Muslims are in this level which shows their level of imaan is at the weakest level. As for those who just flip through such issues without any remorse, then the emptiness of their level of imaan only God's knows.

you have not answered my initial question i notice. it was written in first line of my last post. kindly post the relevant material as asked.

If a muslim requires non-muslim sympathy yet at the same time the muslim is not willing to show sympathy when a non-Muslim is unjustly killed, then the muslim in question should be ashamed of himself and stop looking for non-muslim sympathy.

correct. why does this have to be mentioned in this particular thread?you have also not answered that.

Not a analogy. Its a ground reality.

either way it is incorrect.what is your alternative to these modernists?where in your post have you stated that they must turn to the scholars?anyone might be reading this thread.

And this is one of the reasons people have abondoned speaking out against just cause. Reactionery colonised minds. So just because speaking out for justice is also a principle held high in western values, self labelled defenders of islam quickly react against it as though its a foreign concept being imported into Islam, or show some other kind of fear and probably even shamefulness to admit wrong. I don't know where this notion of treating kuffar values to such level of obsessiveness come from. Its obviously a fear though. And this fear is a result of lack of self confidence upon his own values. Perhaps the abdonment of the rational theological tradition by certain protestant reformist movements have something to contribute to the fear.

you are diverting from the issue. what is in islam is legislated by shariah. doesnt matter if the kuffar do it or not. you are generalizing a lot. as though the entire ummah is under-confident, backward and you know better.

now answer my original question then we will talk.

04-08-2012, 07:06 PM	#12
hhynmtrxcp Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 444 Senior Member	Doesn't matter. Modernists use it because the authoritative ones have abondoned it. The weakest level of imaan is the disgust in the heart and many of the Muslims are in this level which shows their level of imaan is at the weakest level. As for those who just flip through such issues without any remorse, then the emptiness of their level of imaan only God's knows. you have not answered my initial question i notice. it was written in first line of my last post. kindly post the relevant material as asked. If a muslim requires non-muslim sympathy yet at the same time the muslim is not willing to show sympathy when a non-Muslim is unjustly killed, then the muslim in question should be ashamed of himself and stop looking for non-muslim sympathy. correct. why does this have to be mentioned in this particular thread?you have also not answered that. Not a analogy. Its a ground reality. either way it is incorrect.what is your alternative to these modernists?where in your post have you stated that they must turn to the scholars?anyone might be reading this thread. And this is one of the reasons people have abondoned speaking out against just cause. Reactionery colonised minds. So just because speaking out for justice is also a principle held high in western values, self labelled defenders of islam quickly react against it as though its a foreign concept being imported into Islam, or show some other kind of fear and probably even shamefulness to admit wrong. I don't know where this notion of treating kuffar values to such level of obsessiveness come from. Its obviously a fear though. And this fear is a result of lack of self confidence upon his own values. Perhaps the abdonment of the rational theological tradition by certain protestant reformist movements have something to contribute to the fear. you are diverting from the issue. what is in islam is legislated by shariah. doesnt matter if the kuffar do it or not. you are generalizing a lot. as though the entire ummah is under-confident, backward and you know better. now answer my original question then we will talk.
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