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**Qeiafib** · 03-25-2012, 07:13 PM

Dude, scholars are not like that. They don't avoid any narration. They take this quote of ibn 'Umar as a practice only at the time of hajj and 'umra and thus it is permissibile at these times only. They don't say he was wrong, that's a huge misconception. They say that people have misunderstood his practice. Do you possibly have knowledge on my other question though about straightening the beard?

Actually, they do say that it was only the ijtihad of ibn Umar

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Shaykh Ibn Baaz said: Whoever quotes the action of Ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) to show that he used to cut whatever of his beard was longer than the “handful” during Hajj cannot use this as evidence, because this is ijtihaad on the part of Ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him), and proof is to be found in reports (from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)), not from ijtihaad. The scholars (may Allaah have mercy on them) clearly stated that the reports from the Sahaabah and those who came after them that are proven to be sound are what constitute evidence and proof, and they take precedence over any opinion if it goes against the Sunnah.

Fataawa wa Maqaalaat al-Shaykh Ibn Baaz, 8/370. The above was taken from the IslamQA site.

You can see from this how one might infer that they think the practice of ibn Umar

"goes against the Sunnah".

03-25-2012, 07:13 PM	#4
Qeiafib Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 526 Senior Member	Dude, scholars are not like that. They don't avoid any narration. They take this quote of ibn 'Umar as a practice only at the time of hajj and 'umra and thus it is permissibile at these times only. They don't say he was wrong, that's a huge misconception. They say that people have misunderstood his practice. Do you possibly have knowledge on my other question though about straightening the beard? Actually, they do say that it was only the ijtihad of ibn Umar : Shaykh Ibn Baaz said: Whoever quotes the action of Ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) to show that he used to cut whatever of his beard was longer than the “handful” during Hajj cannot use this as evidence, because this is ijtihaad on the part of Ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him), and proof is to be found in reports (from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)), not from ijtihaad. The scholars (may Allaah have mercy on them) clearly stated that the reports from the Sahaabah and those who came after them that are proven to be sound are what constitute evidence and proof, and they take precedence over any opinion if it goes against the Sunnah. Fataawa wa Maqaalaat al-Shaykh Ibn Baaz, 8/370. The above was taken from the IslamQA site. You can see from this how one might infer that they think the practice of ibn Umar "goes against the Sunnah".
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