Akhi, I could also give you something by a scholar which supports athari claim: http://qsep.com/modules.php?name=ilm...rticle&sid=642 Oh yes. And another thing is about the attributes of Allah. People say that Allah describes himself in the Quran as having hands etc. People have different meanings of this and each difference is considered as a major sin (possibly kufr) by the other group.