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**gymnAnemoe** · 03-25-2012, 06:16 AM

Those type of statements do not necessarily preclude criticism, especially since they are only excerpts.

Here's what Dhahabi has to say about Sibt Ibn al-Jawzi:

الشيخ العالم المتفنن الواعظ البليغ المؤرخ الأخباري واعظ الشام
شمس الدين أبو المظفر يوسف بن قزغلي بن عبد الله التركي العوني الهبيري البغدادي الحنفي سبط الإمام أبي الفرج ابن الجوزي
ولد سنة نيف وثمانين وخمسن مئة .

He only discusses his tashayyu' later on. Such excerpts, when presented as tazkiyah of individuals, are most definately misleading. This reminds me of the other Maliki on this forum who tried to claim the permissibility of instrumental music was a mu'tabar position in the Maliki madh-hab, and quoted Ibn Tahir's so-called ijma' as proof.

I havn't seen the biographies of Ibn Rushd (the grandson), but his enmity with al-Ghazali suffices for me, personally! I'll have a look later.

03-25-2012, 06:16 AM	#22
gymnAnemoe Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 526 Senior Member	Those type of statements do not necessarily preclude criticism, especially since they are only excerpts. Here's what Dhahabi has to say about Sibt Ibn al-Jawzi: الشيخ العالم المتفنن الواعظ البليغ المؤرخ الأخباري واعظ الشام شمس الدين أبو المظفر يوسف بن قزغلي بن عبد الله التركي العوني الهبيري البغدادي الحنفي سبط الإمام أبي الفرج ابن الجوزي ولد سنة نيف وثمانين وخمسن مئة . He only discusses his tashayyu' later on. Such excerpts, when presented as tazkiyah of individuals, are most definately misleading. This reminds me of the other Maliki on this forum who tried to claim the permissibility of instrumental music was a mu'tabar position in the Maliki madh-hab, and quoted Ibn Tahir's so-called ijma' as proof. I havn't seen the biographies of Ibn Rushd (the grandson), but his enmity with al-Ghazali suffices for me, personally! I'll have a look later.
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