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**kertUtire** · 03-25-2012, 03:24 PM

Assalamu alaykum

What brother Mohtashim is saying is use hikmah.

Here in India, the fanatic Hindu organisations are spreading venom against muslims. Literature is being distrubted saying that see Muslims call you Kaafir. And they quote the quran ayahs and say "this is what is is there in the hearts of muslims against you Hindus!". "They want to throw you out from their countries, they want to kill you" etc.

In this scenario what should the scholars here in India say. Is it "yes, you are kaafir and you deserve that". And the gap between the communities widens. Then whom should we give dawah to.

What are the long term objectives and the short term goals associated with them, for the Muslim community in India?
Seriously?

I had an close Indian friend from Madras who was deeply disturbed by what he saw as a nationwide campaign by Hindutva to push Muslims out of political influence, out of economic vitality, and ostracize them from mainstream culture except as how they complied with Hindutva supremacy. Riotous violence in a town by the RSS almost always included vandalism of Muslim businesses that competed with Hindus, such as a Muslim store on a strategic corner.

This has been ongoing for more than more than a decade, and provinces such as Gujarat have been dominated by Hindutva such that Muslims are made to submit to them.

So again, what are the objectives?
Survival? Increase schools? Increase numbers of converts a few individuals at a time in a nation of over 1 billion people?
Is it to defend the integrity of the deen and consolidate Muslim power in certain institutions?

And while an individual Dawah carrier may make concessions when talking to people to spare their emotions, this is an issue of style of presentation. But what is the role of a Muslim institution in a kufr society?

03-25-2012, 03:24 PM	#25
kertUtire Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 392 Senior Member	Assalamu alaykum What brother Mohtashim is saying is use hikmah. Here in India, the fanatic Hindu organisations are spreading venom against muslims. Literature is being distrubted saying that see Muslims call you Kaafir. And they quote the quran ayahs and say "this is what is is there in the hearts of muslims against you Hindus!". "They want to throw you out from their countries, they want to kill you" etc. In this scenario what should the scholars here in India say. Is it "yes, you are kaafir and you deserve that". And the gap between the communities widens. Then whom should we give dawah to. What are the long term objectives and the short term goals associated with them, for the Muslim community in India? Seriously? I had an close Indian friend from Madras who was deeply disturbed by what he saw as a nationwide campaign by Hindutva to push Muslims out of political influence, out of economic vitality, and ostracize them from mainstream culture except as how they complied with Hindutva supremacy. Riotous violence in a town by the RSS almost always included vandalism of Muslim businesses that competed with Hindus, such as a Muslim store on a strategic corner. This has been ongoing for more than more than a decade, and provinces such as Gujarat have been dominated by Hindutva such that Muslims are made to submit to them. So again, what are the objectives? Survival? Increase schools? Increase numbers of converts a few individuals at a time in a nation of over 1 billion people? Is it to defend the integrity of the deen and consolidate Muslim power in certain institutions? And while an individual Dawah carrier may make concessions when talking to people to spare their emotions, this is an issue of style of presentation. But what is the role of a Muslim institution in a kufr society?
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