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**HotboTgameR** · 03-21-2012, 06:46 AM

It's not at any level which might affect the "normal" public.

If I apply for a top university, entry based on merit so I DON'T pay bribe in Uk- in Pakistan pay appropriate bribe to the principle or admission department (various people with their own cuts) to get the entry accepted
If I apply for a any Job: I DON't need to know anyone special in UK- in Pakistan I DO, maybe a "sifarish" of a minister/politician/officer etc...
If I get caught speeding, I pay £60 in fine plus points on license Uk- in Pakistan I pay a few hundred rupees bribe to get away
If I MURDER/RAPE someone in uk I feel the full force of the law in the UK (DNA etc.. hard to get away)-in Pakistan, pay a few lak (100,000) rupees to the appropriate party (not victim) as bribe and the appropriate officer will dismiss the case or not register it.

see what I mean, from top to bottom, corruption. Nothing to do with tips or P&P on purchases. Unless it's acceptable in Islam as service charge.

Can't speak for Arab countries but consider the last example, If someone murders someone all they have to do is give bribe to the chief police inspector of that area to get away scott free.

Yes, it is time to throw open all of the gates of our communities and examine ourselves and our institutions thoroughly, exposing any ugliness and corruption in education, health, military, law... rooting out utterly un-Islamic, unethical, immoral and self-serving practices.

That bribe might be easy enough to give but it travels to someone's home in the form of bread and butter, and feeds innocent children.

Interest, bribes... hidden fees, tips on services, un-fair prices... what do they have in common: I think they're all unethical tools of making money at one level or another; some more devastating than others.

As for Western meritocracies... they don't exist. Bribes take on other forms. Only those persons cabable of playing the game to its fullest and fit the unspoken bill are able to move up with ease - the rest struggle; some make it, others don't.

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HotboTgameR Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 378 Senior Member	It's not at any level which might affect the "normal" public. If I apply for a top university, entry based on merit so I DON'T pay bribe in Uk- in Pakistan pay appropriate bribe to the principle or admission department (various people with their own cuts) to get the entry accepted If I apply for a any Job: I DON't need to know anyone special in UK- in Pakistan I DO, maybe a "sifarish" of a minister/politician/officer etc... If I get caught speeding, I pay £60 in fine plus points on license Uk- in Pakistan I pay a few hundred rupees bribe to get away If I MURDER/RAPE someone in uk I feel the full force of the law in the UK (DNA etc.. hard to get away)-in Pakistan, pay a few lak (100,000) rupees to the appropriate party (not victim) as bribe and the appropriate officer will dismiss the case or not register it. see what I mean, from top to bottom, corruption. Nothing to do with tips or P&P on purchases. Unless it's acceptable in Islam as service charge. Can't speak for Arab countries but consider the last example, If someone murders someone all they have to do is give bribe to the chief police inspector of that area to get away scott free. Yes, it is time to throw open all of the gates of our communities and examine ourselves and our institutions thoroughly, exposing any ugliness and corruption in education, health, military, law... rooting out utterly un-Islamic, unethical, immoral and self-serving practices. That bribe might be easy enough to give but it travels to someone's home in the form of bread and butter, and feeds innocent children. Interest, bribes... hidden fees, tips on services, un-fair prices... what do they have in common: I think they're all unethical tools of making money at one level or another; some more devastating than others. As for Western meritocracies... they don't exist. Bribes take on other forms. Only those persons cabable of playing the game to its fullest and fit the unspoken bill are able to move up with ease - the rest struggle; some make it, others don't.
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