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**BonjGopu** · 03-18-2012, 07:46 AM

[QUOTE=naqshbandiosmanli;741105]Ofcourse he was given created knowledge brother, no creation could have an attribute that is uncreated.[QUOTE/]
So does that mean that he (pbuh) had been given all the created knowledge in the light of the evidences you quoted. As far as I know even Ahmad Raza Khan restricted (atleast in some books, if not all) his "complete Ilm Ghaib" till the Judgement Day, after that he didn't claimed that he (saw) had "complete knowledge" of it. And I believe the created knowledge is much more vast than that.

As for the ayat of Quran and other hadith that limit his knowledge one would have to consult the ulama as to when these ayats were revealed and when the statements in the hadith took place, as Rasulullah salallahu alaihi wa salim through his whole life was rising in rank. Also the hadith of Kawthar should be read with commentary and studied with ulama, as with all hadith Well why not you quote some scholars for us. For now I believe the hadeeth of Hawdh is one of the strongest proof against the theory that Prophet had complete "Ilm Ghaib" only after the complete revelation of Qur'an. This is the simple way to through away all the verses denying Ilm Ghaib to Prophet (SAW).

03-18-2012, 07:46 AM	#38
BonjGopu Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 502 Senior Member	[QUOTE=naqshbandiosmanli;741105]Ofcourse he was given created knowledge brother, no creation could have an attribute that is uncreated.[QUOTE/] So does that mean that he (pbuh) had been given all the created knowledge in the light of the evidences you quoted. As far as I know even Ahmad Raza Khan restricted (atleast in some books, if not all) his "complete Ilm Ghaib" till the Judgement Day, after that he didn't claimed that he (saw) had "complete knowledge" of it. And I believe the created knowledge is much more vast than that. As for the ayat of Quran and other hadith that limit his knowledge one would have to consult the ulama as to when these ayats were revealed and when the statements in the hadith took place, as Rasulullah salallahu alaihi wa salim through his whole life was rising in rank. Also the hadith of Kawthar should be read with commentary and studied with ulama, as with all hadith Well why not you quote some scholars for us. For now I believe the hadeeth of Hawdh is one of the strongest proof against the theory that Prophet had complete "Ilm Ghaib" only after the complete revelation of Qur'an. This is the simple way to through away all the verses denying Ilm Ghaib to Prophet (SAW).
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