Well, there is a rather huge degree of difference between a non-Muslim who does not believe in Islam, but who otherwise has no ill-will towards Muslims versus a non-believer who goes out of his or her way to attack Islam, insult Muslims, and who actively seeks to destroy all Islamic influences in the world. Should both be treated as one and the same and both hated? Oh I should point out that I was not inferring that all Muslims believe in randomly killing kufr (only that many non-Muslim secular extremists in the West do make that generalization). Regarding secularism, I understand the arguement. However what I have not seen is any agreement amongst Islamic scholars on what things or ideas in the modern world should be classified as "secular". I have also never seen any agreement amongst scholars as to what a truly Islamic nation should look like in the modern world. If you know of any Islamic scholars who have wrote extensively on that issue I'd greatly appreciate any information on them and would very much like to study their writings. So far the closest I've seen so far is Shaykh Hamza Yussuf, but he's rejected and ridiculed by many Muslims. By the way, as it shows to the left, I am not a Muslim, but rather a Theist (I believe in One God, but do not follow any organized religion so basically I'm a Unitarian more or less). I have however spent the last decade studying Islamic theology on and off as a anthropologist in the field of peace and conflict studies and have lived in several Muslim countries during my life. It may be a fools errand and completely hopeless, but I'm trying to understand how Western non-Muslim societies and Islamic societies can peacefully coexist as equals from not only a religious standpoint, but also from an economic standpoint as well. Most Americans for example have absolutely no wish for the U.S. to be further involved in meddling in the affairs of other countries (especially Muslim nations). However economic powers often overide what the citizens of a country want (and as such, threaten democracy as we see in America where corporations have the most control over the government). I'm also looking at Islamic economic organizations and whether realistically they can be be self-sufficient or whether they are forced to rely on non-Muslim economic powers. There is also the issue of whether certain forms of capitalism are compatible (or not) with Islamic values and the shariat. Finally, I'm also looking at whether there are alternatives to fighting Western hegemony using non-violent forms of Jihad that are more effective in the long-term then violent strategies. That is actually an issue not just for Muslim countries, but also for many cultures around the world that fear that their values and traditions are being wiped out by the onslaught of Western culture, technology, and economic power. At any rate, I see all of these issues as key to peaceful coexhistence, but sadly few people seem to be interested in such things these days. At any rate, I'm stating these things just so that you know my intentions.