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**snislarne** · 02-26-2012, 01:20 AM

as i said 'hate' is a term reserved for ideologies not people. unless the people do something utterly destructive to islamic values so much so that shariah commands direct action to be taken against them.
to sum it up we hate kufr not the kafir.
you will notice in the blog that there is no call to violence. the onus is for change in thinking, an opening with which further progress can be made.

please read al ahkam as sultaniyyah to know more about how a muslim state should be run: http://www.kalamullah.com/ahkam-sultaniyyah.html
sh hamza yusuf has had mixed reviews. most people who respect scholars in general, show him respect while they may not agree with him.
secularism is well defined in islam. there are no ifs and buts.i have never seen any disagreement among prominent scholars. deviants are another thing and quickly identified and exposed.

Hmm... I've definitely seen real hatred during my lifetime from people in many countries (and have myself felt hatred briefly during moments of extreme anger). At any rate, I never said the blog had any call to violence, only that it made some awfully huge generalizations. If one of the goals of Islam is dawah towards the kufr, such generalizations can be counter-productive. As such, understanding the different mindsets of kufr and the various attitudes towards Islam (both negative and positive) would seem important.

Thank you for the link. I believe I have read this before (although I will read it again). However, it is based upon a scholar from the 5th century and as such leaves out a tremendous number of issues facing the modern world, especially when it comes to issues of technology and economic and cultural issues between Muslims and Kufr. The disagreements I have seen mainly have to do with issues of defining Dar Al-Islam and Dar Al-Harb, issues of which areas of Western educational systems to accept and which to reject, issues regarding democratic versus totalitarian governments, issues regarding globalization (free-market economics), and of course issues regarding what forms of Western technology (such as the internet, cell-phones, satellite TV, etc..etc...) to reject and which are beneficial to islam. Then there are issues regarding whether secular laws that do not compromise or go against the Shariat are acceptable or not. Take for example a state-paid scholar in Morocco versus a respected Deobandi scholar from Pakistan and you find massive differences on such issues a long with various degrees of acceptence or rejection of certain aspects of Western culture. At any rate, I will look up some of these questions on the links you posted for scholars. Thank you.

As for the evangelical Christians, I'm not comparing them to Muslims regarding who is more right or wrong. Only that many of their goals are similar to Muslims as far as how they want to see society. Also Biblical law is vastly different then secular law. If anything it is much harsher and less compassionate then Shariat. But that is just a simple theological observation and opinion on my part and nothing more. The discussion on that specific topic should end there as that is more suitable for a different forum, not an Islamic one as I'm not interested in arguing the merits Christian theology (or lack of merits).

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snislarne Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 460 Senior Member	as i said 'hate' is a term reserved for ideologies not people. unless the people do something utterly destructive to islamic values so much so that shariah commands direct action to be taken against them. to sum it up we hate kufr not the kafir. you will notice in the blog that there is no call to violence. the onus is for change in thinking, an opening with which further progress can be made. please read al ahkam as sultaniyyah to know more about how a muslim state should be run: http://www.kalamullah.com/ahkam-sultaniyyah.html sh hamza yusuf has had mixed reviews. most people who respect scholars in general, show him respect while they may not agree with him. secularism is well defined in islam. there are no ifs and buts.i have never seen any disagreement among prominent scholars. deviants are another thing and quickly identified and exposed. Hmm... I've definitely seen real hatred during my lifetime from people in many countries (and have myself felt hatred briefly during moments of extreme anger). At any rate, I never said the blog had any call to violence, only that it made some awfully huge generalizations. If one of the goals of Islam is dawah towards the kufr, such generalizations can be counter-productive. As such, understanding the different mindsets of kufr and the various attitudes towards Islam (both negative and positive) would seem important. Thank you for the link. I believe I have read this before (although I will read it again). However, it is based upon a scholar from the 5th century and as such leaves out a tremendous number of issues facing the modern world, especially when it comes to issues of technology and economic and cultural issues between Muslims and Kufr. The disagreements I have seen mainly have to do with issues of defining Dar Al-Islam and Dar Al-Harb, issues of which areas of Western educational systems to accept and which to reject, issues regarding democratic versus totalitarian governments, issues regarding globalization (free-market economics), and of course issues regarding what forms of Western technology (such as the internet, cell-phones, satellite TV, etc..etc...) to reject and which are beneficial to islam. Then there are issues regarding whether secular laws that do not compromise or go against the Shariat are acceptable or not. Take for example a state-paid scholar in Morocco versus a respected Deobandi scholar from Pakistan and you find massive differences on such issues a long with various degrees of acceptence or rejection of certain aspects of Western culture. At any rate, I will look up some of these questions on the links you posted for scholars. Thank you. As for the evangelical Christians, I'm not comparing them to Muslims regarding who is more right or wrong. Only that many of their goals are similar to Muslims as far as how they want to see society. Also Biblical law is vastly different then secular law. If anything it is much harsher and less compassionate then Shariat. But that is just a simple theological observation and opinion on my part and nothing more. The discussion on that specific topic should end there as that is more suitable for a different forum, not an Islamic one as I'm not interested in arguing the merits Christian theology (or lack of merits).
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