great thread i noticed something else recently, some parents just don't talk with their kids, never have a real nice conversation with them. the only time they talk to them is to point out their faults and say how unhappy and disappointed they are. it's really sad and strange. anyway, i think its a nutural quality in parents to love their children and give them the best upbringing possible. some people maybe just don't know how to express their care and love and end up, unintentionally making their childs life a misery.