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**Doncarlito** · 02-27-2012, 08:59 PM

About the general homeschooling and schooling of children in general.

I like to keep my posts short, so I will be as brief as I can.

I don't think there are many parents out there who have the ability to adequately home school their children in terms of both religious and secular/scientific subjects. e.g. How well do you know physics.

However, No matter how the child is educated one day he will grow up and "go out in to the world" and the parent won't be able to be there every time. If a child is doing everything you are saying while home schooled, it could be that rather than believing/understanding and accepting what you say, he's just complying, a form of peer pressure, go and find out what people can end up doing via COMPLIANCE. When he's older and "out there", he might just comply with other people around him and not have the ability or courage to speak up for himself. i'm not saying this is what will happen, but it is one example. In a kuffar country one needs to know their enemy (in this case those who want to take you away from the right path).

About "below satisfactory" levels of some children's education. We can argue about the reason for this all day, but the real solution is for the parent to supplement the normal school education rather than leaving it all to the school. These students unfortunately come from a "poor" background. Their parents are poor because of their lack of aspiration and ambition, because the state makes it very easy for them to just be lazy and get everything done for them virtually for free. that is why when asked about their unemployment they complain either of "no jobs" or the "foreigner" getting all the jobs. One needs to ask why the foreigners are able to get a job while the Nativly based and educated person can't. ( this is a whole different/ non-islamic topic about education)

Main point: islam doesn't stop anyone being successful in duniya aswell as in deen. The status of islam cannot be mantained in the kufr states by just minding your own business and sticking to deen, why would people be envious of Islam if muslims aren't successful in duniyah. Success in duniyah is a sign of Allah's blessing.

Compliance is not removed by schooling a child in the public system and homeschooling is only deceptively a 'choice.' That said, at the very least, parents have some control and are able to carry out their duty to educate or provide as good an education as possible. As mentioned here, homeschoolers do score higher on achievement tests and are actually sought after by some major universities. That said, compliance and control are a given in any system - public or private (including the home). Also, there is a huge money-making industry built around homeschooling where you can 'customize' your child's learning with all sorts of curriculum and aids (including hiring tutors) - you don't necessarily have to now physics to ensure your child learns it from home. Also, many parents opt to homeshcool their children during the younger grades and send their children off to highschool or university feeling a little more confident about their child's ability to cope with pressures and most of those children are much better adjusted and less prone to the pressures around them. Insha'Allah, they are able to adjust just fine (if not better) and they are able to learn whatever it is they need to learn (including the more difficult subjects such as physics and pure math).

One last point: teachers are educated to teach classrooms of children; and a large part of their day is devoted to managing their student population (it takes a couple of hours to get through the same amount of work at home that it takes 6+ hours to do in a classroom, not to mention homework). It is indeed about teaching compliance and socializing, normalizing children - churning out adults able to comply and contribute to an established economic system where they work in similar ways. Homeschooling adds kick to the tapestry - homeschooled graduates are sought after because they are able to think differently and are able to come up with solutions outside-the-box. In a classroom, there is pressure on children grouped by age to do certain things by a set time. At home, the child is able to progress at the speed more in line with his/her abilities and level of maturity. The child can learn at their own pace. In classrooms, you will find teachers 'passing' a child into the next grade level (in younger grades) who isn't academically ready to progress - the consequence being: the child suffers in later grades from low academics and low self-esteem. Why? They can't have students clogging the system - they have a quota of students that are coming in through one door and need to ensure that many students exit out the other end (efficiency, easier on the system than on the student). Anyway... this can go on and on.

02-27-2012, 08:59 PM	#23
Doncarlito Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 538 Senior Member	About the general homeschooling and schooling of children in general. I like to keep my posts short, so I will be as brief as I can. I don't think there are many parents out there who have the ability to adequately home school their children in terms of both religious and secular/scientific subjects. e.g. How well do you know physics. However, No matter how the child is educated one day he will grow up and "go out in to the world" and the parent won't be able to be there every time. If a child is doing everything you are saying while home schooled, it could be that rather than believing/understanding and accepting what you say, he's just complying, a form of peer pressure, go and find out what people can end up doing via COMPLIANCE. When he's older and "out there", he might just comply with other people around him and not have the ability or courage to speak up for himself. i'm not saying this is what will happen, but it is one example. In a kuffar country one needs to know their enemy (in this case those who want to take you away from the right path). About "below satisfactory" levels of some children's education. We can argue about the reason for this all day, but the real solution is for the parent to supplement the normal school education rather than leaving it all to the school. These students unfortunately come from a "poor" background. Their parents are poor because of their lack of aspiration and ambition, because the state makes it very easy for them to just be lazy and get everything done for them virtually for free. that is why when asked about their unemployment they complain either of "no jobs" or the "foreigner" getting all the jobs. One needs to ask why the foreigners are able to get a job while the Nativly based and educated person can't. ( this is a whole different/ non-islamic topic about education) Main point: islam doesn't stop anyone being successful in duniya aswell as in deen. The status of islam cannot be mantained in the kufr states by just minding your own business and sticking to deen, why would people be envious of Islam if muslims aren't successful in duniyah. Success in duniyah is a sign of Allah's blessing. Compliance is not removed by schooling a child in the public system and homeschooling is only deceptively a 'choice.' That said, at the very least, parents have some control and are able to carry out their duty to educate or provide as good an education as possible. As mentioned here, homeschoolers do score higher on achievement tests and are actually sought after by some major universities. That said, compliance and control are a given in any system - public or private (including the home). Also, there is a huge money-making industry built around homeschooling where you can 'customize' your child's learning with all sorts of curriculum and aids (including hiring tutors) - you don't necessarily have to now physics to ensure your child learns it from home. Also, many parents opt to homeshcool their children during the younger grades and send their children off to highschool or university feeling a little more confident about their child's ability to cope with pressures and most of those children are much better adjusted and less prone to the pressures around them. Insha'Allah, they are able to adjust just fine (if not better) and they are able to learn whatever it is they need to learn (including the more difficult subjects such as physics and pure math). One last point: teachers are educated to teach classrooms of children; and a large part of their day is devoted to managing their student population (it takes a couple of hours to get through the same amount of work at home that it takes 6+ hours to do in a classroom, not to mention homework). It is indeed about teaching compliance and socializing, normalizing children - churning out adults able to comply and contribute to an established economic system where they work in similar ways. Homeschooling adds kick to the tapestry - homeschooled graduates are sought after because they are able to think differently and are able to come up with solutions outside-the-box. In a classroom, there is pressure on children grouped by age to do certain things by a set time. At home, the child is able to progress at the speed more in line with his/her abilities and level of maturity. The child can learn at their own pace. In classrooms, you will find teachers 'passing' a child into the next grade level (in younger grades) who isn't academically ready to progress - the consequence being: the child suffers in later grades from low academics and low self-esteem. Why? They can't have students clogging the system - they have a quota of students that are coming in through one door and need to ensure that many students exit out the other end (efficiency, easier on the system than on the student). Anyway... this can go on and on.
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