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**ufUUZCnc** · 02-19-2012, 10:56 PM

all, I'm caught with work and I wasn't planning on posting here anytime soon, but I had to...

It will be very nice if that explanation becomes available to public because this is a point which is very delicate. And I completely agree with your sensitivities also.

Maulana Qmaruddin Sahab (DB) is a khalifa of my grand Shaikh Hazrat Shah Abrar-ul-Haq Sahab Haqqi Sahab (RA) (number 77 in this list) but I do not have personal contact with him.

Wassalam

Wish I could post the mp3's of the audio, but the Maulana does not want it to be put on the net, says his seniors (Mufti palanpuri db and others) have dealt with the issue better than him so doesn't feel the need to put his bayans on the net, that is why I didn't name him

I'll ask him again when I get the time, he is busy most of the time.

Mawlana Qamaruddin from Allahabad? Some of his Khulafa' are very close to me.

Maulana Allamah Qamruddin Saheb db is the one who also teaches at Deoband, and is very close to Hadrath Shaykh Qari Amir Ul Hasan Saheb Hardoi db, I don't know if he is from Allahabad.

I know which scholar in Deoband you are talking of, hadrat.

Wa alaykum salaam

I stopped visiting this forum some time ago, your reply on this thread sent me an email so here I am again

It was actually after reading passages like this from that book that I made this thread as I wanted to know who the author was. I have been constantly told by Deobandis to avoid Jamaat-e-Islami people because they attack Sahaba, although I myself have never heard or read a single J.I person say this in there own literature or talks, I have only heard them speak good of the sahaba. When I read this book I thought this might be a J.I person and thats what Deobandis have been talking about all the time. Now I'm really surprised to find out that he is actually Deobandi as well, so why are there not piles of refutations against him? Makes me wonder is the attack on J.I people from Deobandis really standing up for the principle or is just out of partisanship?

Wa alaykum salaam

Yes this is a delicate that needs to be dealt with because ignorant people can get easily influenced by rafidi lies and distortions.

That book is really not beneficial when learning about the history of the early generations but it does have good summaries of later Islamic dynasties. However the bad outweighs the good to me.

For an accurate and detailed portrayal of the events in the time of the Sahaba, I recommend the series of lectures called "the Fitna" by Sh. Kamal al-Mekki.

The Fitnah

By: Kamal El Mekki

A look at the early history of Islam from the time of Uthman Ibn Affan..until Abdullah Ibn Azzubair.
CD-1: The life of Uthman Ibn Affan: His Khilafa and the begining of the Fitnah.
CD-2: The beginings of the Fitnah(cont). The assassination of Uthman and the pledge to Ali.
CD-3: Ali regains the provinces and the Army of Aisha, Talha, and Azzubair.
CD-4: The Battle of Al-Jamal and the Battle of Siffin.
CD-5: The Battle of Siffin (cont). The emergence of the Khawaarij. The assassination of Ali. The Khilafa of Al-Hassan Ibn Ali and Muawiah.
CD-6: Muawiah (cont). Yazeed Ibn Muawiah. The martyrdom of Al Hussein Ibn Ali and Abdullah Ibn Azzubair.

Download [100 MB ZIP]

for the audio's, but I humbly request you to reserve your opinion on Deoband until you gain further knowledge, come on its just one book, just one book brother, brother Maripat has made a good point and I wouldn't like to add to it, except when it come to love of the Sahabah ra, J. I Joe's do not walk the talk and its the opposite when it comes to Deobandies, observe it for yourself. Whats that proverb? 'actions speak louder than words' stuff...

Also, the book I have is an english translation, a bad one at it, believe me there are many spelling mistakes in that book (which speaks volumes of the publishers / translators ability) I just feel to get a truer picture one has to read the original in Urdu.

Good point akhi.
This is failing of a single individual and not the creed of the majority.
I had added a statement about his short flick with modernity and then turning away from that.
This should be hint enough for us to ignore his failings, particularly when he is no more.
Wassalam

Spot on brother.

02-19-2012, 10:56 PM	#17
ufUUZCnc Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 528 Senior Member	all, I'm caught with work and I wasn't planning on posting here anytime soon, but I had to... It will be very nice if that explanation becomes available to public because this is a point which is very delicate. And I completely agree with your sensitivities also. Maulana Qmaruddin Sahab (DB) is a khalifa of my grand Shaikh Hazrat Shah Abrar-ul-Haq Sahab Haqqi Sahab (RA) (number 77 in this list) but I do not have personal contact with him. Wassalam Wish I could post the mp3's of the audio, but the Maulana does not want it to be put on the net, says his seniors (Mufti palanpuri db and others) have dealt with the issue better than him so doesn't feel the need to put his bayans on the net, that is why I didn't name him I'll ask him again when I get the time, he is busy most of the time. Mawlana Qamaruddin from Allahabad? Some of his Khulafa' are very close to me. Maulana Allamah Qamruddin Saheb db is the one who also teaches at Deoband, and is very close to Hadrath Shaykh Qari Amir Ul Hasan Saheb Hardoi db, I don't know if he is from Allahabad. I know which scholar in Deoband you are talking of, hadrat. Wa alaykum salaam I stopped visiting this forum some time ago, your reply on this thread sent me an email so here I am again It was actually after reading passages like this from that book that I made this thread as I wanted to know who the author was. I have been constantly told by Deobandis to avoid Jamaat-e-Islami people because they attack Sahaba, although I myself have never heard or read a single J.I person say this in there own literature or talks, I have only heard them speak good of the sahaba. When I read this book I thought this might be a J.I person and thats what Deobandis have been talking about all the time. Now I'm really surprised to find out that he is actually Deobandi as well, so why are there not piles of refutations against him? Makes me wonder is the attack on J.I people from Deobandis really standing up for the principle or is just out of partisanship? Wa alaykum salaam Yes this is a delicate that needs to be dealt with because ignorant people can get easily influenced by rafidi lies and distortions. That book is really not beneficial when learning about the history of the early generations but it does have good summaries of later Islamic dynasties. However the bad outweighs the good to me. For an accurate and detailed portrayal of the events in the time of the Sahaba, I recommend the series of lectures called "the Fitna" by Sh. Kamal al-Mekki. The Fitnah By: Kamal El Mekki A look at the early history of Islam from the time of Uthman Ibn Affan..until Abdullah Ibn Azzubair. CD-1: The life of Uthman Ibn Affan: His Khilafa and the begining of the Fitnah. CD-2: The beginings of the Fitnah(cont). The assassination of Uthman and the pledge to Ali. CD-3: Ali regains the provinces and the Army of Aisha, Talha, and Azzubair. CD-4: The Battle of Al-Jamal and the Battle of Siffin. CD-5: The Battle of Siffin (cont). The emergence of the Khawaarij. The assassination of Ali. The Khilafa of Al-Hassan Ibn Ali and Muawiah. CD-6: Muawiah (cont). Yazeed Ibn Muawiah. The martyrdom of Al Hussein Ibn Ali and Abdullah Ibn Azzubair. Download [100 MB ZIP] for the audio's, but I humbly request you to reserve your opinion on Deoband until you gain further knowledge, come on its just one book, just one book brother, brother Maripat has made a good point and I wouldn't like to add to it, except when it come to love of the Sahabah ra, J. I Joe's do not walk the talk and its the opposite when it comes to Deobandies, observe it for yourself. Whats that proverb? 'actions speak louder than words' stuff... Also, the book I have is an english translation, a bad one at it, believe me there are many spelling mistakes in that book (which speaks volumes of the publishers / translators ability) I just feel to get a truer picture one has to read the original in Urdu. Good point akhi. This is failing of a single individual and not the creed of the majority. I had added a statement about his short flick with modernity and then turning away from that. This should be hint enough for us to ignore his failings, particularly when he is no more. Wassalam Spot on brother.
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