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**didrexx** · 01-12-2012, 03:32 PM

There is no shortcut here. You have to be able to express your emotion in a reasoned manner. Mere emotion will achieve nothing except some temporary fear factor by issuing veiled threats to a persons life. Yesterday there was another debate on this on ndtv. The unfortunate case was the inability for the Muslim side to construct and express the reasoning behind his stance. The Muslim politician from Hyderabad kept on repeating that "blasphemy" is not allowed but criticism is allowed. That's a poor choice of words as blasphemy is irrelevant to someone who does not even belong to the religion in the first place. If Deoband has issued the fatwa, why not get a Deoband spokesperson to conduct a media session to explain in reasonable terms why that should be the case and why such limits to speech should be kept and adhered to in Indian laws. After all, the law is on Muslim side. Its the liberal who when it comes to their own issues that are mum on the laws and consider themselves above all laws. That mentality should be criticized and it should be made clear that they are in no way whatsoever a exception to the law. The clear hypocritical aspect of these liberals are that they are the first once to make a big hue and cry if some mullah makes a statement or issues a fatwa. So do mullahs also not have unhinged and absolute free speech ? One side is portrayed as fundamentalists while the other side is portrayed as forward walking, barrier breaking, heroes.

On a side note, there is a thin line between whats constitutes valid criticism and what consults insult or so forth. So i think this aspect should be clarified by those who argue for limits to speech. It is because of the inability to make this case properly that we have America instead chosing the path of absolute free speech.

First things first - no one is issuing and veiled threats to anybody's life. Change your sentence - you do not know what horrible situation you are creating.

We Indian Muslims do not want Salman Rushdie in India and that is all.

Indeed it is mighty difficult to explain this to America and the west in general.
And it is indeed difficult to explain it to Indian media and intelligentsia - both of them are extensions of the western mindset, only located in India.

So the western attitude is the only one that has to be dealt with. They threw Christianity and hence all of religion out of the window because of Church atrocities. It is really that simple. Now they expect others also to follow suit. It looks natural to them and they are bent upon it. So are our intellectuals, unfortunately including some Muslims. If you deny 1915 massacre by Turkey then it will be illegal in France and US. So they have limitations on the so called freedom of speech. But the latter option is not available to Muslims. Some people are really too dense. Well so be it. By the Grace of Allah (SWT) Muslims at least get out of the house to assert that Mr Rushdie is a persona non grata for us.

01-12-2012, 03:32 PM	#24
didrexx Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 481 Senior Member	There is no shortcut here. You have to be able to express your emotion in a reasoned manner. Mere emotion will achieve nothing except some temporary fear factor by issuing veiled threats to a persons life. Yesterday there was another debate on this on ndtv. The unfortunate case was the inability for the Muslim side to construct and express the reasoning behind his stance. The Muslim politician from Hyderabad kept on repeating that "blasphemy" is not allowed but criticism is allowed. That's a poor choice of words as blasphemy is irrelevant to someone who does not even belong to the religion in the first place. If Deoband has issued the fatwa, why not get a Deoband spokesperson to conduct a media session to explain in reasonable terms why that should be the case and why such limits to speech should be kept and adhered to in Indian laws. After all, the law is on Muslim side. Its the liberal who when it comes to their own issues that are mum on the laws and consider themselves above all laws. That mentality should be criticized and it should be made clear that they are in no way whatsoever a exception to the law. The clear hypocritical aspect of these liberals are that they are the first once to make a big hue and cry if some mullah makes a statement or issues a fatwa. So do mullahs also not have unhinged and absolute free speech ? One side is portrayed as fundamentalists while the other side is portrayed as forward walking, barrier breaking, heroes. On a side note, there is a thin line between whats constitutes valid criticism and what consults insult or so forth. So i think this aspect should be clarified by those who argue for limits to speech. It is because of the inability to make this case properly that we have America instead chosing the path of absolute free speech. First things first - no one is issuing and veiled threats to anybody's life. Change your sentence - you do not know what horrible situation you are creating. We Indian Muslims do not want Salman Rushdie in India and that is all. Indeed it is mighty difficult to explain this to America and the west in general. And it is indeed difficult to explain it to Indian media and intelligentsia - both of them are extensions of the western mindset, only located in India. So the western attitude is the only one that has to be dealt with. They threw Christianity and hence all of religion out of the window because of Church atrocities. It is really that simple. Now they expect others also to follow suit. It looks natural to them and they are bent upon it. So are our intellectuals, unfortunately including some Muslims. If you deny 1915 massacre by Turkey then it will be illegal in France and US. So they have limitations on the so called freedom of speech. But the latter option is not available to Muslims. Some people are really too dense. Well so be it. By the Grace of Allah (SWT) Muslims at least get out of the house to assert that Mr Rushdie is a persona non grata for us.
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