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Old 01-30-2009, 07:25 PM   #7
extessarere

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the correct orthodox sunni position is that Gog and Magog are yes from the children of Adam,
Fully agree with this.

but they have been sealed inside the earth by a wall constructed by Dhul Qarynain. Before this sealing they used to come out and cause havoc to civilizations nearby. They are populating the earth's interior, and they are so numerous that for each one of us there is 99 of them, and none of them dies but leaves behind him many many offsprings. Where does it say the are INSIDE the earth?

Also if Thul Qarnain built a wall to prevent them from escaping, then you should be able to show me that wall, or at the least go and search for that wall. It was a wall made of iron and molten copper, a wall so great the "they could neither scale it nor penetrate it"

Read the book, Moulana Imran has even done the work of locating the mountain passes for you so you can go and look yourself! Google Earth hint hint...

-because the Gog and Magog that we know are sealed, whereas these other nations are out on the surface, See my first reponse to your inside the earth theory. I invite you to then start digging.

Gog and Magog traveled through the only existing pass
between two mountains which are very high and barrier-like
(assaddain, Qur’ān, al-Kahf 18:93) and attacked their neighbors on
the other side of the mountains.
Dr Tammam Adi Now to say that certain nations of today are Gog and Magog and their affliction has become apparent, how are they going to explain the presence of 'Isa ibn Maryam in the midst of Muslims and his rule, as the narrations speak, as a preceeding event before the release of Gog and Magog? We need to evaluate the Hadith against the Quran. Those that conflict with the Quran should be given a secondary status in the study of the subject.

Allah subhanahu wata'aala promised to preserve the Holy
ur’ān. But He did not promise to preserve Hadith (reports about
hat the blessed Prophet of Islam said or did) or tafseer (Qur’ān
mmentary). The confusion about Gog and Magog results from
o sources:
1. accepting errors and omissions in tafseer
2. accepting false ahadeeth (hadiths) or hadith
misinterpretations that are contrary to the Qur’ān

The latter problem can be resolved by adhering to the
principle that all ahadeeth must be based on the Holy Qur’ān.
Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyya rahimahullah was a prolific scholar
of Qur’ān and Hadith. He memorized the Qur’ān and countless
ahadeeth, and was able to instantly recall all the verses and
ahadeeth on any subject. He confirmed the above-mentioned
principle in his Fatawa and stated that for every good hadith he
knew, he was able to cite one or more Qur’ān verses upon which
that hadith was based. The Prophet sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam
would state a hadith (containing a decision, a judgment, or an
instruction) and then he would cite a supporting Qur’ān verse. The
Companions of the Prophet, radiyallahu 'anhum, regularly used
this method.

Dr Tamman Adi - Introduction, Islamic View of Gog and Magog in the modern World t should be known that there are some credible scientific research that point out that the earth in its interior is hollow, has its own energy/nourishing resources, has deep and wide caves, and is as habitable as its surface, and can hold civilizations and millions of people. In fact it is amazing to note that we have in our Islamic traditions, narrations that state the earth is of seven layers and there are inhabitants on those earths,where for them the upper layers of the earth is as amazing, as for us are the skies and what it contains, and in fact many of the ancient legends like those of Greeks, Egyptians, Indians, Chinese, ancient Anglo Saxon, Nordics etc., all talk about civilizations inside the earth and some of their interaction with the people on the surface. Legends and science??!?!?! Instead of following myths, take 45 Mins to read the book, then post here if it does not make sense. I can assure you there are no legends and myths used as proof.

and remember as Qadhi Abu Bakr Ibn al-Arabi has said that if there are mass reports about the same thing by many people, then it is authentic, as in mass reports the iman of the transmitters are not taken into account, as the possibility of lies in very minimal. So we should believe everything we see on CNN then
, no disrepect to Ibn Arabi intended, But those mass reports can never be used as proof that overides the Quran and Hadith. This book does not depend on mass reports as your flimsy response does.

Also search on youtube for vidoes on "hollow earth" and there are many amazing matters that normal science wont talk about. Masaha'allah , Shahih Baba was just backing you go by Hadith and scholars and now you add youtube as a proof against the Quran, Hadith and the work of a senior learned scholar of Islam!

So here is my "daleel" from youtube (LOL!) also :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=le_ySMrOkFU
50 part series dealing with Dajjal, Gog and Magog etc
Full series at: wakeupproject.com


so just we have a partiality of knowledge of something, doesnt mean we should go and conclude for the whole picture and make claims like those of the evangelics and zionists who always change around their prophecies and place them out of contexts just so that it could suit their limited views of matters. I invite you then to expand your knowledge on the subject :

http://imranhosein.org/media/books/ivgmmw.pdf

What do you have to loose? 1 hour and 1.4mb of download - thats all, maximum. promise!
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