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**botagozzz** · 09-04-2011, 06:35 AM

Would you please highlight what would be the difference between "normal sunni Hanafi" Fiqh and "Deobandi Hanafi" Fiqh?

What's the difference between the two?

Thats the thing, as an unbiased outside observer of the deobandi/barlawi conflict - I have seen little to no difference in the fiqh

The differences arise in the "extracuricular" activities - meaning activiteis that take place outside of Juma' or daily salat.

At a deo masjid, extracuricular activities consist of a tablighi style bayan, exerpts from faidhail amal, and lessons from various books written by deobandi scholars

At a barlawi masjid, they have bayaans - touching on many of the same points the tablighis touch upon - they have lessons from books written by classical scholars and baralwi scholars - the difference is they also have halaqa dhikrs or hadras more often in barlawi masajid, and they have Milads for Rasoolullah

of course, but they sometimes have milads for other anbiya and walis as well

Another thing I have noticed is that many people who get trapped in the bubble that categorizes every single Muslim on eartyh into 1 of three categories (salafi, deobandi, barlawi) also get trapped in an even smaller bubble - a bubble within a bubble - for example: A young man is brought up in a deobandi enviroment. He sees the world as 3 shades of gray (deo, barlawi, salafi), and because he has been taugt that the other 2 shades of gray are deangerous to go around because they will harm his deen - he begins to look at them as a threat - he hears stories about what these other two types of Muslims do (they hate Rasoolullah

, or they pray to the dead) - he then beleives these things and tells others about the horible things these groups do - but he never has actually seen a barlawi pray to dead person or a salafi try and demolish the tomb of rasoolullah

out of hate.

In my 13 years traveling in between these two groups, I hear from barlawis that Tabligis (deobandis) do such and such and are wahabis and to stay far far away - things that in my own observational experience I have found to be untrue - and I have heard from Deobandis that Barlawis do such and such and are Mubtadis - something that I have also found to be untrue (at least for the barlawi brothers I have been around)

Also, Deobandis tend to lable every goofy sufi, every liberal mubtadi weirdo sheikh or group as barlawi, much as barlawis lable everyone outside of them as Wahabi - this usually comes from the laymen, the educated brothers know the difference generally - In reality this divide is not created by Barlawi scholarls or Deobandi scholars - it is their fervant followers who mistakenly create this divide.

Since I am on a forum populated with deobandis, I will say this - in the Islamic spectrum of ideologies, deobandis fall closer to the middle than salafis or barlawis - there are few things they do that I dont participate in. They back things up with Quran and hadeeth, and the things I particpate in that they do not, are all minor matters of differences of oppionion (even within the deobandi world) and I can respect a deobandi brothers decision to sit out during a mawlid or a halaqa dhikr. I fmy son grows up to be a hardcore deobandi, I will have no problem with that.

09-04-2011, 06:35 AM	#25
botagozzz Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 544 Senior Member	Would you please highlight what would be the difference between "normal sunni Hanafi" Fiqh and "Deobandi Hanafi" Fiqh? What's the difference between the two? Thats the thing, as an unbiased outside observer of the deobandi/barlawi conflict - I have seen little to no difference in the fiqh The differences arise in the "extracuricular" activities - meaning activiteis that take place outside of Juma' or daily salat. At a deo masjid, extracuricular activities consist of a tablighi style bayan, exerpts from faidhail amal, and lessons from various books written by deobandi scholars At a barlawi masjid, they have bayaans - touching on many of the same points the tablighis touch upon - they have lessons from books written by classical scholars and baralwi scholars - the difference is they also have halaqa dhikrs or hadras more often in barlawi masajid, and they have Milads for Rasoolullah of course, but they sometimes have milads for other anbiya and walis as well Another thing I have noticed is that many people who get trapped in the bubble that categorizes every single Muslim on eartyh into 1 of three categories (salafi, deobandi, barlawi) also get trapped in an even smaller bubble - a bubble within a bubble - for example: A young man is brought up in a deobandi enviroment. He sees the world as 3 shades of gray (deo, barlawi, salafi), and because he has been taugt that the other 2 shades of gray are deangerous to go around because they will harm his deen - he begins to look at them as a threat - he hears stories about what these other two types of Muslims do (they hate Rasoolullah , or they pray to the dead) - he then beleives these things and tells others about the horible things these groups do - but he never has actually seen a barlawi pray to dead person or a salafi try and demolish the tomb of rasoolullah out of hate. In my 13 years traveling in between these two groups, I hear from barlawis that Tabligis (deobandis) do such and such and are wahabis and to stay far far away - things that in my own observational experience I have found to be untrue - and I have heard from Deobandis that Barlawis do such and such and are Mubtadis - something that I have also found to be untrue (at least for the barlawi brothers I have been around) Also, Deobandis tend to lable every goofy sufi, every liberal mubtadi weirdo sheikh or group as barlawi, much as barlawis lable everyone outside of them as Wahabi - this usually comes from the laymen, the educated brothers know the difference generally - In reality this divide is not created by Barlawi scholarls or Deobandi scholars - it is their fervant followers who mistakenly create this divide. Since I am on a forum populated with deobandis, I will say this - in the Islamic spectrum of ideologies, deobandis fall closer to the middle than salafis or barlawis - there are few things they do that I dont participate in. They back things up with Quran and hadeeth, and the things I particpate in that they do not, are all minor matters of differences of oppionion (even within the deobandi world) and I can respect a deobandi brothers decision to sit out during a mawlid or a halaqa dhikr. I fmy son grows up to be a hardcore deobandi, I will have no problem with that.
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