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**Seesspoxy** · 02-14-2012, 02:45 AM

It is good that you have expressed your feelings openly. Now cool down and look at your own words with patience. You shall realize that you are objecting to Shariah. Objecting to something that is ordained by Allah(SWT) is a very serious business. There was a women whose four sons were martyred but she was not perturbed. You are perturbed, rather seriously, by a prospect which may or may not be expressly relevant for you. Let us ponder over the reality. Divorce rates in Muslims are not famous for being high. Girl survival in Muslims is better than the majority community in India. Muslims have not reduced the institution of a marriage to a sham as in the west. Unfortunately even in Muslim society there is some feeling that the western deal of independence of woman is better than what Islam offers. This is a folly - everybody knows about the western degradation of women but even then they are rushing for it. This is the only alternative that anybody has in his mind when blasting Islam. And in deed the alternative is horrendous.

Finally if a man comes to the realization that he is not willing to carry on a marriage then it is pointless to make any effort to force him to continue with it. Marriage is not a trivial institution or commitment. And please leave those fickle minded people who can utter a word three times a fit of rage - it is unlikely that otherwise also they shall carry the responsibility of marriage with elan.

Finally about equality. Hasn't Allah(SWT) said that man and women are equal? Perhaps you want to thwart the tie breaker in which Allah(SWT) says that man has slight upper hand over woman. My suggestion to you brother will be not to try that and fool yourself. I have heard it from more than one women that they want to be possessed. And this psyche has been put there by Lord Most High - do not fight it and create impossible alternatives.

Since the points are intricate I might have missed something crucial so my apologies in advance and I am present for clarifications.

That is what I am saying. We are talking at cross purposes here. I am saying that this fiqhi rule developed by ulema is causing sufering to women. It is based on their human faulty and imperfect understanding of Allah SWT kalam in the Quran. I have noticed that almost any fiqhi ruling is somehow treated as divine as if it was Allah' s very word. fiqhi ruling are a human attempt to understand the message of Allah (SWT) and thus can be wrong. That is why fatwas end up with "Allah knows best".
Why do different madhabs have different rulings on issues ? Because all of them are an human attempt to understand Allahs word. Why do people discount the human element in shariah rulings ? Divorce rates are increasing all over the muslim world now. @Maripat we are talking at cross purposes here. Divorce rates are increasing all over the muslim world.
The fiqhi ruling has been developed by ulema based on thier understanding of the Quran and sunnah. Remember this is a human and hence imperfect effort. That is why fatwas end with the line "Allah knows best". I have noticed that each individual fiqhi ruling is treated as divine which it is not. That is why different madhabs have different rulings. any fiqhi ruling causing pain to the weak must be thought over instead of being worshipped. Please ask those women who have suffered instead of pretending that is not a problem.

02-14-2012, 02:45 AM	#36
Seesspoxy Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 528 Senior Member	It is good that you have expressed your feelings openly. Now cool down and look at your own words with patience. You shall realize that you are objecting to Shariah. Objecting to something that is ordained by Allah(SWT) is a very serious business. There was a women whose four sons were martyred but she was not perturbed. You are perturbed, rather seriously, by a prospect which may or may not be expressly relevant for you. Let us ponder over the reality. Divorce rates in Muslims are not famous for being high. Girl survival in Muslims is better than the majority community in India. Muslims have not reduced the institution of a marriage to a sham as in the west. Unfortunately even in Muslim society there is some feeling that the western deal of independence of woman is better than what Islam offers. This is a folly - everybody knows about the western degradation of women but even then they are rushing for it. This is the only alternative that anybody has in his mind when blasting Islam. And in deed the alternative is horrendous. Finally if a man comes to the realization that he is not willing to carry on a marriage then it is pointless to make any effort to force him to continue with it. Marriage is not a trivial institution or commitment. And please leave those fickle minded people who can utter a word three times a fit of rage - it is unlikely that otherwise also they shall carry the responsibility of marriage with elan. Finally about equality. Hasn't Allah(SWT) said that man and women are equal? Perhaps you want to thwart the tie breaker in which Allah(SWT) says that man has slight upper hand over woman. My suggestion to you brother will be not to try that and fool yourself. I have heard it from more than one women that they want to be possessed. And this psyche has been put there by Lord Most High - do not fight it and create impossible alternatives. Since the points are intricate I might have missed something crucial so my apologies in advance and I am present for clarifications. That is what I am saying. We are talking at cross purposes here. I am saying that this fiqhi rule developed by ulema is causing sufering to women. It is based on their human faulty and imperfect understanding of Allah SWT kalam in the Quran. I have noticed that almost any fiqhi ruling is somehow treated as divine as if it was Allah' s very word. fiqhi ruling are a human attempt to understand the message of Allah (SWT) and thus can be wrong. That is why fatwas end up with "Allah knows best". Why do different madhabs have different rulings on issues ? Because all of them are an human attempt to understand Allahs word. Why do people discount the human element in shariah rulings ? Divorce rates are increasing all over the muslim world now. @Maripat we are talking at cross purposes here. Divorce rates are increasing all over the muslim world. The fiqhi ruling has been developed by ulema based on thier understanding of the Quran and sunnah. Remember this is a human and hence imperfect effort. That is why fatwas end with the line "Allah knows best". I have noticed that each individual fiqhi ruling is treated as divine which it is not. That is why different madhabs have different rulings. any fiqhi ruling causing pain to the weak must be thought over instead of being worshipped. Please ask those women who have suffered instead of pretending that is not a problem.
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