contraversial topic. both sides have there daleel. someone who believes they are apostates is going to come on here and say ''oh you who believe dont take the jews and christians as friends'' to the end of the ayah, they give other dalaail which are from the sunnah aswell, i just cant think right now. then they'll also say that these fataawa not to rebel are for fasiq rulers and not apostates like todays who take there deen from obama. what is needed from both sides of the argument is with daleel we need an answer to the opposing fatwa and then it could be discussed, otherwise you'll be going back and forth forever. btw i dont have an opinion on this issue so dont say im biased, im just presenting a daleel which iv heard.