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br Usama, someone who believes all the rulers today are apostates isnt going to differ with you on your daleel. the difference is the ayah that says not to take yahood and nasaara as friends. theyll say all these ahkaamaat and hadith you mentioned are for a faasiq ruler, hence the use of salah in the tirmizi hadeeth, salah is only for believers therefore a believing ruler who is faasiq. furthermore, ibn Zubair and Hussein RA were martyred because they rebelled against a leader, so theres a limit somewhere.

now if your imprisoning muslims on the basis of 'terrorism' because america tells you these are your enemies then has such a person allied with america?? pre 9-11 these dudes were living it large and now because america says these same people are our enemy, shall we accept?? where do we place a borderline of relationship with the west??

just to add iv heard alot of these debates in pakistan amongst ulema and 1 aalim said when 'the students' rebelled against an oppressive regime they are freedom fighters who lead the muslim world, but when a somali or a yemeni or waziristani does it hes a fitnah monger.

wallahu alam