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Old 01-28-2012, 02:18 AM   #10
Avaindimik

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AoA brothers and sisters....Today i pasted this new thread despite of the fact that a lot of threads are already present in here and there was absolutely No need to create another pertaining to this subject..

But i felt it was absolutely necessary because most of the content pertaining to this subject in other threads was either incomplete or has a lot of misconceptions..I 'll post here one by one and do correct me if i am wrong..May Allah guide us all on the right path and award us all for our true intentions Ameen..

I would also request Mods not to delete or close this thread as i think it is highly of importance to many members of this thread. Thank you

1) Hazir O Nazir

Hazir O Nazir means omnipresent .Being physically present @ more than one place at a given time...Or everywhere to be precise...

Now i have seen a lot of my deobandi brothers/sisters in this forum refuting the brelvis or quoting what they say..i request you to use the search feature or google linking to this site to see what i am talking about...i am not here to say whether the brelvis are right or wrong but the reason i am here is because i found serious issues with the aqeedah of some deobandi brothers of mine with in this forum ...( you can use search feature or google linking back to this site please)...

what we understand from what the brelvis say is that Hazrat Mohammad (p.b.u.h) is hazir o nazir and has the ability of being at more than one place or everywhere at a given time.....and then we accuse the brelvis of shirk....verily our refutation is entirely wrong....Most of the deobandi brothers here say that brelvis attribute Hazrat Mohammad (p.b.u.h) the attributes of the Creator thus contributing to shirk....some of the people here say that only Allah can be hazir o nazir or omnipresent....

to be concise what i am emphasizing about is that According to the correct ashari/maturdi aqeedah Allah is NOT omnipresent i.e being present everywhere physically at a given time...so those brothers who accuse the brelvi brothers of shirk regarding the issue of Hazir o nazir need serious help with their aqeedah ..Because

Allah is NOT everywhere physically (not hazir o nazir)
Allah is Every where by HIS Knowledge.
Allah is NOT confined to TIME and SPACE.

so even if brelvis quote that Holy Prophet (p.b.u.h) is Hazir O nazir that is he is physically everywhere (although i have studied vastly with regard to this subject and when they say hazir o nazir they mean something entirely different) the opponents CAN'T Accuse them of Shirk as Allah is Not present Physically everywhere..the word omnispresent is Not in Quran....Allah existed when nothing existed ...He is Absolute and Eternal..and Not confined to place,direction,space,time,shape.He is Not Part of the Creation...This is the correct ashari/maturdi aqeedah which the brelvis/deobandi brothers of mine have....

This whole issue was pointed out to me by some of my deobandi and brelvi friends...I thank Allah for making it quite clear...

2) Hadith ?

Can someone post the hadith and verify the authenticity regarding hazrat Mohammad (p.b.u.h) ability to witness our deeds whilst in the grave...



Thank you brothers and sisters and do correct me if i am wrong ..
May Allah guide us all..Ameen
Salaaam
I have been on this forum for a while but haven't started posting until recently.
I am a layman and some of the people on here have so much knowledge MashAllah.
I hope I can require a fraction of theirs in my lifetime InshAllah.
What I don't understand is the different sects/movement whatever you want to call them all have difference in their Aqeeda, Im not going to say who is right and who is wrong..that's not for you and I to say..Allah knows best so lets let Allah Judge..What I don't understand is Aqeedah is not something which should be discussed by laymen on forums in this depths (the basics hmm probably ok to), I have not seen a single person change their Aqeedah on these forums and don't understand why people keep posting things which Scholars have disputed for over 100's of years and if they are still arguing/bashing each other the chances of laymen on forums having an impact on this is very minimal so why watse your time with these particular issues.
If you are coming to forums to learn Aqeedah then your going about it the wrong way and if your coming to forums to teach Aqeedah then you are also going about it the wrong way.
(apologies if I have offended anyone with the term Laymen im sure you all know how it was intended).
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