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Old 07-20-2010, 07:08 PM   #39
hablyShappY

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I dont think I know you but i lived in Bosmont & still frequent the masjied. If you were ever to go back to Cape town for a visit I sugest you sit down with Imaam that taught you the basics. If Im not mistaken all the masjieds & madrasahs are run by the flag bearing Karaan family. Ml Yusuf once spoke beautifuly on the maulid on the radio in cape town. he also goes to gaddads & maulids. they students of the Darul Uloom go as well & even Hadrah.

what is most disterbing is that you asked about Ratiebul Gaddad- well you idea about it is completely wrong. the event where they play drums & stab themselvs is called Ratib- which is a south african term for the ritual & goes back to the Rifai' tariqah. the gaddad is but a few surahs, some very benificial adhkaar & tehn dua'. it is to be read every night & doesnt need a tune or a large group. In the old days it became a hadrah ( this a broad term & not only used for the rythmic dhikrs) due to the need for it & it remained like that ever since. in my stay with the people who's forefathers wrote the Ratieb I asked about the way we did it & even did it in their presence the way it is done in South Africa & they said nothing wrong with that. our sheikh on his visit to SA also sat in the SA style & all he said was that he could feel the presence of Imaam Gaddad with us in SA.
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Jzk for your detailed answer. When I originally got involved in this thread I was quite ignorant about these matters gadat, Ratib etc.),(actually read it today for the first time again after 2 years and it seemed odd!) I humbly apologise for my ignorance! Maulana Yusuf Karaan and Haji Gosein (his deputy Imaam) was in fact my Ustaaz in CT. However the teachings were basic Islaam (nothing was mentioned about Maulid, gadat etc. - Maybe I should have just asked them at the time (but it did not occur to me...as I thought at the time it was 'standard' Islaam (?) It was only later in my life (as a muslim) that I observed different (conflicting?) attitudes concerning tariqas/sufism etc.
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